Muni Arrival Data App Killer Fears Attacks From Enraged Data/Transit Fiends
"Language is such a tricky thing," NextBus Information Systems COO Alex Orloff emailed us today. It was certainly surreal to hear semantic philosophy coming...
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Christine Borden said:
June 26, 2009 3:52 PM
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Next time when someone asks me something? I will answer them in questions? Because questions dig deeper? Into the soul than truths?
Jeffrey McManus said:
June 26, 2009 4:02 PM
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It's peculiar that Orloff would say "I am not aware of SFMTA's assertion of ownership of the data" because when I inquired with Nextbus in 2007 about getting access to this data, Nextbus' response was, in essence, that they couldn't provide access to this data because SFMTA owned it. What changed in the last two years? Did Nextbus realize that their original position was indefensible or did they unilaterally claim ownership of the data?
Eve Batey replied to comment from Christine Borden
June 26, 2009 4:03 PM
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Language is such a tricky thing, Christine.
Greg Dewar said:
June 26, 2009 4:10 PM
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the junkie logic and syntax being used here just undermines them even more. the blurry sense of the rules and an inability to read a simple report on a website indicates that once again, the MTA and NextMuni/Next Bus's bungles are creating a situation whereby a couple of dorks who seem intent on ruining people's livelihoods and take away the public's right to know , prevail.
It's time for City Attorney Dennis Herrera to come in and kick some ass on behalf of the people. It's not like anyone else will.
Oh and to big meanies over in the east bay? I don't believe in violence. I do believe in snark. But I'll lay off if it means avoiding tears, m'kday?
Joe Mathes said:
June 26, 2009 4:45 PM
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"Language is such a tricky thing," says Alex, enemy of slanted language. "You're going to get me lynched," he added. "Won't somebody please think of the children?"
apophis said:
June 28, 2009 12:51 PM
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Don't look for your city officials to do anything. They are busy with travel junkets and summer holidays. Newsom is too busy trying to be governor - never mind that app like Routsey encourage the use of public transportation. Kamala Harris takes a car and has a private parking space, she doesn't care either.
theo said:
July 27, 2009 5:35 PM
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What a pity party.
I'm sorry that I, or any other commenter, made comments in a jesting mode that allowed Orloff to present himself as a sympathetic person (think of the children!), when he's clearly a manipulative, dissembling ("language is such a tricky thing") wannabe entrepreneur.
This series (even the comments) has been far more productive than counterproductive. Unfortunately, there's not going to be any constructive resolution of this dispute with a company that shuts down working applications while offering no alternative, and refuses to negotiate reasonably with the authors of said application.
We need to keep raising the profile of this issue so that the MTA's attorneys start to take it very seriously. Please write Nat Ford's office, if you haven't already.
Accidental Guru said:
August 25, 2009 4:17 PM
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I am involved in sourcing technology to provide real time data for buses in Southern California right now. Does anybody know if this is a common issue, or a special case?
Does Orloff really believe somebody would kill him?
Does Orloff's email indicate justifiable homicide is okay, as long as the killer explains the motives to the kids?
If it weren't affecting real people, this story is so weird that it seems like it should be an Internet hoax.