Honking Cab Drivers Demand San Francisco Ban On Ridesharing Services

With horns blaring, a long line of taxicabs circled San Francisco City Hall this afternoon, with cab drivers demanding that the city ban smartphone-enabled rideshare services.

As their colleagues circled the block, dozens of taxi drivers gathered on the steps of City Hall to call for the regulation of rideshare companies such as Lyft, Sidecar and Uber.

One of the rally’s organizers, Barry Korengold, president of the San Francisco Cab Drivers Association, called the startup companies “unfair competition.”

He said, “legal cabs are getting screwed,” citing a large drop in taxi ridership since the companies began operating.

The taxi drivers are asking city officials and the California Public Utilities Commission to step in.

The CPUC, which regulates passenger carriers, has asked an administrative law judge to compile a report on rideshare companies.

In December, the commission tasked the judge with gathering information to “evaluate the safety of ridesharing businesses that utilize the Internet, social media, and location services to arrange transportation of passengers over public highways for compensation,” according to CPUC documents.

That report is expected to be released sometime this week, and then will be open to public comment for 30 days before the commission votes on any of the judge’s recommendations.

Mark Gruberg, head of United Taxicab Workers, called for the CPUC “to put an end to these unlawful companies.”

“Come on, San Francisco,” he said. “Respect and enforce the law.”

Taxi drivers said they take issue with the term “rideshare” being applied to such companies. As defined by the CPUC, a rideshare involves a driver transporting passengers to a destination, usually work-related, without profiting from the ride.

Korengold said it is untrue that the drivers and companies don’t profit from the interaction.

“Let’s all play by the same rules,” he said.

Some protesters cited discrimination, with rideshare companies largely unable to pick up disabled and handicap passengers.

Taxi driver Ruah Graffis, sitting in a motorized wheelchair, said, “We’d like to support the real cab drivers of the city who pick up everybody.”

Another driver, Jeffrey Rosen, said taxi drivers are trained, regulated, and constantly inspected, all in the name of public safety.

He called the ride services offer “rogue, bandit taxis with a smartphone and a Facebook account.”

Many protesters held signs bearing a photo of Mayor Ed Lee sporting a pink mustache, similar to those placed on the front of Lyft vehicles.

Other signs read “Stop taxi deregulation” and “Real drivers do it with insurance.”

After the noon City Hall rally, the long line of taxis headed to the CPUC building at McAllister Street and Van Ness Avenue to continue the protest there.

Sasha Lekach, Bay City News

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  • RBR

    Mark Gruberg, head of United Taxicab Workers, called for the CPUC “to put an end to these unlawful companies.”

    “Come on, San Francisco,” he said. “Respect and enforce the law.” – Come on, taxi drivers, respect the rights of other drivers. Teach your drivers the proper use of city streets.

    • energylife

      I’ve never been more disrespected when paying for a service than I have in an SF taxi cab.

  • RBR

    Mark Gruberg, head of United Taxicab Workers, called for the CPUC “to put an end to these unlawful companies.”

    “Come on, San Francisco,” he said. “Respect and enforce the law.” – Come on, taxi drivers, respect the rights of other drivers. Teach your drivers the proper use of city streets.

    • energylife

      I’ve never been more disrespected when paying for a service than I have in an SF taxi cab.

  • Starry Messenger

    Good for the cabbies for standing up for their profession and riders. If people want to be cabbies, they can wait and buy a medallion like the cab drivers.

    I would never get into a car with a stranger off of Facebook or an app, someone who has not been drug-tested, had a background check and is not accountable to a public agency. It’s a liability waiting to happen.

    • energylife

      Getting in a taxi is just as dangerous. Even more so when you hail one, like my friend who was kidnapped and raped by an SF taxi driver. Lyft drivers aren’t going to ask you why you’re gay and if you’re sure you prefer d*ck.

      • Starry Messenger

        Would you go to an unlicensed dentist? Buy meat out of the back of a stranger’s van. If you want to do these things, good for you. Some of us don’t want to live in a Randian world of free-market deregulation.

        There is absolutely no guarantee that a Lyft driver wouldn’t be a serial killer, sorry. That just sounds like the perfect set-up for a freaky criminal. Taxis are publicly regulated.

        • GonzoBlair

          Total nonsense. A cab driver who picks you up off the street has no record of the ride. That’s why you can google “taxi driver kills woman” and find hundreds of articles of this crime.

          Ridesharing apps at least allow you to track a record of the driver and their vehicle. It’s safer for both parties involved.

          • Starry Messenger

            Cabbies keep logs called waybills. They get checked by Taxi detail and if not in order, the medallion gets pulled. Dispatchers also keep logs of called-in fares. If you google “man kills cabbie”, you get 2 million hits. So…there’s that.

          • GonzoBlair

            Once again (a) a cab driver has much easier access to anonymous strangers and can easily hide their interaction with someone picked up on the street. A waybill? Seriously? Not a reliable record. (b) Passengers killing cab drivers is also an issue that is solved by ridesharing. Since both parties are tracked. Hence the “safer for both parties involved” comment.

          • Starry Messenger

            Well don’t come crying to Taxi detail if you wake up in a Motel Six in Brisbane one night missing a kidney after a “Lyft”.

          • GonzoBlair

            “Taxi driver sent to mental hospital for murder

            Henry K. Lee, Chronicle Staff Writer
            Published 4:00 am, Tuesday, August 4, 2009

            Jehad Baqleh, 41, was found guilty of second-degree murder in the slaying of 24-year-old Julie Day, whom he picked up outside the Bubble Lounge on San Francisco’s Montgomery Street on May 14, 1999.

            The body of the Walnut Creek woman was found a week later by a backhoe operator in a shallow grave in China Basin. The medical examiner ruled that she had been asphyxiated.”

          • Starry Messenger

            Cabbie shot in possible heist attempt

            A taxi driver was fired upon “numerous times” and hit once
            in the back as he drove away from gunmen while awaiting a fare by Golden
            Gate Park on Sunday morning.

            Hariqbal Singh, 25, of South San
            Francisco, was waiting to pick up a 5 a.m. fare when two men approached
            him on the driver’s side of his car at 4:50 a.m. on the corner of 24th
            Avenue and Lincoln Way, San Francisco police Lt. Mike Caplan said.

            http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/cabbie-shot-in-possible-heist-attempt/Content?oid=2148786

          • GonzoBlair

            I’m not sure you have or understand a point about taxis vs. ridesharing any longer.

          • Starry Messenger

            Thank you for conceding your errors. Surrender accepted.

          • GonzoBlair

            Are you really too dense to understand that ridesharing tracks both passengers and drivers so both parties are protected, unlike anonymous cab pickups?

          • Christian Floyd Lewis

            That was a very tragic event no matter what anyone says but it also happens to be the one and only example that is used by everybody. I believe over 30 drivers have been murdered in this city and that’s not counting all the stabbings, beatings and strong arm robberies. That doesn’t mean anything. How many police out there have been convicted of murder? How many office workers have gone to work and shot everybody? There is a percentage of bad people in every single segment of the population, so what!?!?!?

          • Troy McCormick

            Go ahead and murder someone and your future will be getting rapped by your nigger in San Quentin.

          • J. Boronski

            Cameras running 24/7 in all cabs. My company tracks and logs cab location by GPS. I have to log in/out of my cab with a unique identifier.

          • Troy McCormick

            Liar. Never seen a camera in a cab and the consumer has no access to this data even if it exists. With the app they have the info at their fingertips. Fail.

        • Troy McCormick

          San Franciscans do want to live in a world with rideshares. Rideshare drivers are licensed they have driver’s licenses, that’s all you need.

          • Sarah M.

            Troy, you have some serious mommy issues.

      • Christian Floyd Lewis

        If that truly happened to your friend than that is horrible and she would have every legal recourse available to her and as I driver of 8 years I know that that person would be easily identified and held accountable. When you get into a “ride share car” you wave your ability to exercise those same rights. If you had a bad experience with one or more cab drivers that sucks but I don’t see how that allows you to make sweeping indictments of an entire industry. I don’t hate all women because my ex cheated on me or hate ALL people from Arizona because one spit in my face. As far as the inappropriate sexual comments, I’ve been told that I could be skull f***ed and had people perform oral sex on each other IN MY TAXI!!! I am one individual driver trying to make a living and provide the best service to my ability, I know there are more than a few bad drivers in the city just like there are bad passengers, bad cops and bad bike messengers. As far as changing the industry I do the best that I can WITHIN THE LAW and within the boundaries the city sets forth. I can also say that if this was anybody’s career being treated the same way you would not have the same attitude about it… Also keep in mind that Yahoo and other organizations have said that driving a taxi in a major city is one of the top most stressful jobs out there and if you drive at night like I do, one of the most dangerous as well..and until you’ve done it you just can’t understand all that it entails…

        • Dean Clark

          Christian it actually happens a lot more than you can imagine, along with attacks on people being gay and being kicked out of the cab because of your preference. Thanks for letting the person know about recourse.

        • J. Boronski

          Yes!!

        • Troy McCormick

          In a rideshare you have a picture of your driver right away with a Taxi you don’t. With a rideshare you have a customer service center to respond to you politely. The customer service from cabs is run by people that are best described as utter and emphatic cunts. No cabbies are just ignorant I have been in hundreds of them over the years and you all suck. That’s why no one is using your services anymore, smell reality brother! Taxi drivers are extremely awful to women and harass or offer my mother money for sex every time she takes a taxi and humiliate her she just wont take taxis she would rather walk or wait 3 hours for me to be off work so that i can drive her myself or her brother can. you don’t get it all cabbies are like that with less than 5% i would say having any decency. we are complaining about what cabbies say to passengers not the other way around, very few passengers insult their cabbies like that and if they called you a cocksucker maybe you deserved it, think of it if you get called a cocksucker or a mother fucker by most passangers you probably are, or if by 75% then you’re 75% asshole, just put two and two together bro. my roommate is a lyft driver and it is not stressful at all, im sure driving a taxi and being mean spirited to people is stressful but if you started being nice to people and not ripping them off you might not be so stressed anymore!

          • Christian Floyd Lewis

            First of all I didn’t say anything about being called a cocksucker. I was trying to illustrate that the inappropriate sexual comments go both ways. Being told that someone wants to tear my ass up, skull fuck me and put their fucking hands on me isn’t cool. You have no fucking clue how a driver is treated by passengers except for yourself or your friends but let me sum it up for you. You have already determined that I am an ignorant, asshole, cunt before you’ve even set foot in my cab, without knowing me at all based solely on my profession. How do you think that interaction between the 2 of us is going to go, huh? not to great is it and I wonder why with all your preconceived opinions. For your information there are several taxi apps that let you see a picture of the driver as well. I’m curious what you are able to deduce about a person based on his picture? Do you want to avoid certain people? Somebody look to “ethnic” or maybe they aren’t a snappy dresser? Guess we can skip that guy. Now about your experience in cabs, let’s use the same logic you do. You’ve rode in 100’s of cabs and been treated like shit, hey “bro” maybe you’re just a fucking douche-bag. Makes sense to me. Now what about your Mom? She obviously did a shitty job raising her douche-bag kids so maybe she doesn’t know how to conduct herself like a lady in public. If people are offering her money for sex than I guess she probably is a whore man. Maybe that’s the reality I’ve been smelling! I mean you all seem to judge people based on there occupation and appearance not the merit of their individual actions. Let’s wrap up your agenda driven comment with your roommate lyft driver buddy. Why would it be stressful. He doesn’t have to pay for the correct insurance, doesn’t have to have a business license, doesn’t have to pay all the gate fees and A card fees that the city demands and on top of all that he has the luxury of being able to profile every single person that gets in his cab. Hey, this guy isn’t cute or maybe he got a thumbs down review, NEXT! I think I’ve been looking at this all wrong and I want to thank you for clearing this up for me. Lyft, Sidecar and UberX service a very particular, very individual demographic made up mostly of people like yourself. If they want to take that segment of the City off our hands than so be it. I don’t really need or want your business. Let’s see how much fun it is once they are forced to play by the same rules we do and the prices double but wait, they won’t be able to sustain the business model they have now once that happens will they. I hope your roommate has fun driving you and your Mom around fist pump jerking each other off “bro”….

          • Troy McCormick

            No they don’t they only go one way. And I don’t take cabs anymore because you are all alike. Calling my disabled 4 foot 10 mother a whore for you cunts groping her, cussing her out, trying to treat her like a whore, and expressing displeasure with this treatment doesn’t make her a whore. It makes you a whore and a misogynist. Your mother is probably a crackwhore sucking dick for 2 bucks. My mother raised me well in Catholic schools, two jobs, a single mother, and I am a college graduate for it. That’s the kind of whore my mother is. No someone that shits out shitjuice like you. I would never set foot in your cab bro I don’t want AIDS or Hepatitis. Shove your poorly veiled threat in your father’s cunt. They are facts based on experience. People would pay more to use rideshares because they wouldn’t be with you. Funny only cabbies or muni drivers ever cuss me out for saying “hi” or asking a question. Everyone else in America says Hi back or answers as best they can. There are no functional working taxi apps. I’ve seen em and you can’t hail a taxi with one. You get a call asking for directions from a “professional” driver and when you ask them why they can’t figure it out based on the app they hang up and never come pick you up. That’s why people don’t like taxis. Douchebaggery. A picture can be used as identification to guarantee the person picking you up is the right person and not some weirdo, if something ever went wrong the driver can be identified. That’s what makes the picture useful. And as for the picture it doesn’t let you pick which driver on rideshares so it doesn’t matter if they look “ethnic” although every human looks ethnic because we all have an ethnicity genius! As for maloderant misogynistic religious zealots with no english skills or manners, if I could tell that from a picture I’d never get in the car if I could avoid it. My roomate has insurance and a better safer car than you, but he’s not a taxi driver. He can’t use taxi stands or taxi lanes can he? But you think he needs to be a taxi when he is not? Taxis suck, rideshares rock. Period. You can’t have my business and if you don’t learn manners or stop being such a sexist ignorant asshole then you’re not going to have any. But seriously why don’t you become a police officer if you like being such a douche?

    • Troy McCormick

      Why should people have to wait to buy a medallion they will never be able to afford? Should my children go hungry just because my grandmother did and paid her dues starving or should we improve things? Cab drivers provide shitty service because they are uneducated and uncouth enough to merit a crappy deal and low salary all while their master makes all the profits. Rideshare service drivers are all background checked and the community ranks drivers and people choose drivers based on these ratings. Cab drivers are strangers too and many of them are rapists, also cabs are not employing women, lyft and sidecar are truly an equal opportunity for women and for americans and speak english, if you would really choose a cab over someone in a rideshare you have poor taste, because San Francisco has chosen this as the better option it is. Also rideshares are insured. Lyft has all insured users with 1 million in liability insurance.Why should private citizens be accountable to anyone but the DMV when driving their non-taxis?

  • Starry Messenger

    Good for the cabbies for standing up for their profession and riders. If people want to be cabbies, they can wait and buy a medallion like the cab drivers.

    I would never get into a car with a stranger off of Facebook or an app, someone who has not been drug-tested, had a background check and is not accountable to a public agency. It’s a liability waiting to happen.

    • energylife

      Getting in a taxi is just as dangerous. Even more so when you hail one, like my friend who was kidnapped and raped by an SF taxi driver. Lyft drivers aren’t going to ask you why you’re gay and if you’re sure you prefer d*ck.

      • Starry Messenger

        Would you go to an unlicensed dentist? Buy meat out of the back of a stranger’s van. If you want to do these things, good for you. Some of us don’t want to live in a Randian world of free-market deregulation.

        There is absolutely no guarantee that a Lyft driver wouldn’t be a serial killer, sorry. That just sounds like the perfect set-up for a freaky criminal. Taxis are publicly regulated.

        • GonzoBlair

          Total nonsense. A cab driver who picks you up off the street has no record of the ride. That’s why you can google “taxi driver kills woman” and find hundreds of articles of this crime.

          Ridesharing apps at least allow you to track a record of the driver and their vehicle. It’s safer for both parties involved.

          • Starry Messenger

            Cabbies keep logs called waybills. They get checked by Taxi detail and if not in order, the medallion gets pulled. Dispatchers also keep logs of called-in fares. If you google “man kills cabbie”, you get 2 million hits. So…there’s that.

          • GonzoBlair

            Once again (a) a cab driver has much easier access to anonymous strangers and can easily hide their interaction with someone picked up on the street. A waybill? Seriously? Not a reliable record. (b) Passengers killing cab drivers is also an issue that is solved by ridesharing. Since both parties are tracked. Hence the “safer for both parties involved” comment.

          • Starry Messenger

            Well don’t come crying to Taxi detail if you wake up in a Motel Six in Brisbane one night missing a kidney after a “Lyft”.

          • GonzoBlair

            “Taxi driver sent to mental hospital for murder

            Henry K. Lee, Chronicle Staff Writer
            Published 4:00 am, Tuesday, August 4, 2009

            Jehad Baqleh, 41, was found guilty of second-degree murder in the slaying of 24-year-old Julie Day, whom he picked up outside the Bubble Lounge on San Francisco’s Montgomery Street on May 14, 1999.

            The body of the Walnut Creek woman was found a week later by a backhoe operator in a shallow grave in China Basin. The medical examiner ruled that she had been asphyxiated.”

          • Starry Messenger

            Cabbie shot in possible heist attempt

            A taxi driver was fired upon “numerous times” and hit once
            in the back as he drove away from gunmen while awaiting a fare by Golden
            Gate Park on Sunday morning.

            Hariqbal Singh, 25, of South San
            Francisco, was waiting to pick up a 5 a.m. fare when two men approached
            him on the driver’s side of his car at 4:50 a.m. on the corner of 24th
            Avenue and Lincoln Way, San Francisco police Lt. Mike Caplan said.

            http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/cabbie-shot-in-possible-heist-attempt/Content?oid=2148786

          • GonzoBlair

            I’m not sure you have or understand a point about taxis vs. ridesharing any longer.

          • Starry Messenger

            Thank you for conceding your errors. Surrender accepted.

          • GonzoBlair

            Are you really too dense to understand that ridesharing tracks both passengers and drivers so both parties are protected, unlike anonymous cab pickups?

          • Christian Floyd Lewis

            That was a very tragic event no matter what anyone says but it also happens to be the one and only example that is used by everybody. I believe over 30 drivers have been murdered in this city and that’s not counting all the stabbings, beatings and strong arm robberies. That doesn’t mean anything. How many police out there have been convicted of murder? How many office workers have gone to work and shot everybody? There is a percentage of bad people in every single segment of the population, so what!?!?!?

          • Troy McCormick

            Go ahead and murder someone and your future will be getting rapped by your nigger in San Quentin.

          • J. Boronski

            Cameras running 24/7 in all cabs. My company tracks and logs cab location by GPS. I have to log in/out of my cab with a unique identifier.

          • Troy McCormick

            Liar. Never seen a camera in a cab and the consumer has no access to this data even if it exists. With the app they have the info at their fingertips. Fail.

        • Troy McCormick

          San Franciscans do want to live in a world with rideshares. Rideshare drivers are licensed they have driver’s licenses, that’s all you need.

          • Sarah M.

            Troy, you have some serious mommy issues.

      • Christian Floyd Lewis

        If that truly happened to your friend than that is horrible and she would have every legal recourse available to her and as I driver of 8 years I know that that person would be easily identified and held accountable. When you get into a “ride share car” you wave your ability to exercise those same rights. If you had a bad experience with one or more cab drivers that sucks but I don’t see how that allows you to make sweeping indictments of an entire industry. I don’t hate all women because my ex cheated on me or hate ALL people from Arizona because one spit in my face. As far as the inappropriate sexual comments, I’ve been told that I could be skull f***ed and had people perform oral sex on each other IN MY TAXI!!! I am one individual driver trying to make a living and provide the best service to my ability, I know there are more than a few bad drivers in the city just like there are bad passengers, bad cops and bad bike messengers. As far as changing the industry I do the best that I can WITHIN THE LAW and within the boundaries the city sets forth. I can also say that if this was anybody’s career being treated the same way you would not have the same attitude about it… Also keep in mind that Yahoo and other organizations have said that driving a taxi in a major city is one of the top most stressful jobs out there and if you drive at night like I do, one of the most dangerous as well..and until you’ve done it you just can’t understand all that it entails…

        • Dean Clark

          Christian it actually happens a lot more than you can imagine, along with attacks on people being gay and being kicked out of the cab because of your preference. Thanks for letting the person know about recourse.

        • J. Boronski

          Yes!!

        • Troy McCormick

          In a rideshare you have a picture of your driver right away with a Taxi you don’t. With a rideshare you have a customer service center to respond to you politely. The customer service from cabs is run by people that are best described as utter and emphatic cunts. No cabbies are just ignorant I have been in hundreds of them over the years and you all suck. That’s why no one is using your services anymore, smell reality brother! Taxi drivers are extremely awful to women and harass or offer my mother money for sex every time she takes a taxi and humiliate her she just wont take taxis she would rather walk or wait 3 hours for me to be off work so that i can drive her myself or her brother can. you don’t get it all cabbies are like that with less than 5% i would say having any decency. we are complaining about what cabbies say to passengers not the other way around, very few passengers insult their cabbies like that and if they called you a cocksucker maybe you deserved it, think of it if you get called a cocksucker or a mother fucker by most passangers you probably are, or if by 75% then you’re 75% asshole, just put two and two together bro. my roommate is a lyft driver and it is not stressful at all, im sure driving a taxi and being mean spirited to people is stressful but if you started being nice to people and not ripping them off you might not be so stressed anymore!

          • Christian Floyd Lewis

            First of all I didn’t say anything about being called a cocksucker. I was trying to illustrate that the inappropriate sexual comments go both ways. Being told that someone wants to tear my ass up, skull fuck me and put their fucking hands on me isn’t cool. You have no fucking clue how a driver is treated by passengers except for yourself or your friends but let me sum it up for you. You have already determined that I am an ignorant, asshole, cunt before you’ve even set foot in my cab, without knowing me at all based solely on my profession. How do you think that interaction between the 2 of us is going to go, huh? not to great is it and I wonder why with all your preconceived opinions. For your information there are several taxi apps that let you see a picture of the driver as well. I’m curious what you are able to deduce about a person based on his picture? Do you want to avoid certain people? Somebody look to “ethnic” or maybe they aren’t a snappy dresser? Guess we can skip that guy. Now about your experience in cabs, let’s use the same logic you do. You’ve rode in 100’s of cabs and been treated like shit, hey “bro” maybe you’re just a fucking douche-bag. Makes sense to me. Now what about your Mom? She obviously did a shitty job raising her douche-bag kids so maybe she doesn’t know how to conduct herself like a lady in public. If people are offering her money for sex than I guess she probably is a whore man. Maybe that’s the reality I’ve been smelling! I mean you all seem to judge people based on there occupation and appearance not the merit of their individual actions. Let’s wrap up your agenda driven comment with your roommate lyft driver buddy. Why would it be stressful. He doesn’t have to pay for the correct insurance, doesn’t have to have a business license, doesn’t have to pay all the gate fees and A card fees that the city demands and on top of all that he has the luxury of being able to profile every single person that gets in his cab. Hey, this guy isn’t cute or maybe he got a thumbs down review, NEXT! I think I’ve been looking at this all wrong and I want to thank you for clearing this up for me. Lyft, Sidecar and UberX service a very particular, very individual demographic made up mostly of people like yourself. If they want to take that segment of the City off our hands than so be it. I don’t really need or want your business. Let’s see how much fun it is once they are forced to play by the same rules we do and the prices double but wait, they won’t be able to sustain the business model they have now once that happens will they. I hope your roommate has fun driving you and your Mom around fist pump jerking each other off “bro”….

          • Troy McCormick

            No they don’t they only go one way. And I don’t take cabs anymore because you are all alike. Calling my disabled 4 foot 10 mother a whore for you cunts groping her, cussing her out, trying to treat her like a whore, and expressing displeasure with this treatment doesn’t make her a whore. It makes you a whore and a misogynist. Your mother is probably a crackwhore sucking dick for 2 bucks. My mother raised me well in Catholic schools, two jobs, a single mother, and I am a college graduate for it. That’s the kind of whore my mother is. No someone that shits out shitjuice like you. I would never set foot in your cab bro I don’t want AIDS or Hepatitis. Shove your poorly veiled threat in your father’s cunt. They are facts based on experience. People would pay more to use rideshares because they wouldn’t be with you. Funny only cabbies or muni drivers ever cuss me out for saying “hi” or asking a question. Everyone else in America says Hi back or answers as best they can. There are no functional working taxi apps. I’ve seen em and you can’t hail a taxi with one. You get a call asking for directions from a “professional” driver and when you ask them why they can’t figure it out based on the app they hang up and never come pick you up. That’s why people don’t like taxis. Douchebaggery. A picture can be used as identification to guarantee the person picking you up is the right person and not some weirdo, if something ever went wrong the driver can be identified. That’s what makes the picture useful. And as for the picture it doesn’t let you pick which driver on rideshares so it doesn’t matter if they look “ethnic” although every human looks ethnic because we all have an ethnicity genius! As for maloderant misogynistic religious zealots with no english skills or manners, if I could tell that from a picture I’d never get in the car if I could avoid it. My roomate has insurance and a better safer car than you, but he’s not a taxi driver. He can’t use taxi stands or taxi lanes can he? But you think he needs to be a taxi when he is not? Taxis suck, rideshares rock. Period. You can’t have my business and if you don’t learn manners or stop being such a sexist ignorant asshole then you’re not going to have any. But seriously why don’t you become a police officer if you like being such a douche?

    • Troy McCormick

      Why should people have to wait to buy a medallion they will never be able to afford? Should my children go hungry just because my grandmother did and paid her dues starving or should we improve things? Cab drivers provide shitty service because they are uneducated and uncouth enough to merit a crappy deal and low salary all while their master makes all the profits. Rideshare service drivers are all background checked and the community ranks drivers and people choose drivers based on these ratings. Cab drivers are strangers too and many of them are rapists, also cabs are not employing women, lyft and sidecar are truly an equal opportunity for women and for americans and speak english, if you would really choose a cab over someone in a rideshare you have poor taste, because San Francisco has chosen this as the better option it is. Also rideshares are insured. Lyft has all insured users with 1 million in liability insurance.Why should private citizens be accountable to anyone but the DMV when driving their non-taxis?

  • energylife

    I HATE taxis. Stupid ignorant f*cks always trying to hit on you. Driving like maniacs and stopping wherever they damn please. I have a friend that was kidnapped and raped by an SF taxi driver. I like Lyft because it allows me to see who is picking me up and they are so respectful and nice. I hope rishares put Taxis out of business!

  • energylife

    I HATE taxis. Stupid ignorant f*cks always trying to hit on you. Driving like maniacs and stopping wherever they damn please. I have a friend that was kidnapped and raped by an SF taxi driver. I like Lyft because it allows me to see who is picking me up and they are so respectful and nice. I hope rishares put Taxis out of business!

  • Not feeling much sympathy for cab drivers/companies. The world evolved, and their model is dead. If rideshare services are somehow found to be illegal, that simply means it is time to change the laws to fit the current reality that voters and visitors are choosing every time they choose to use a safe and reliable rideshare service instead of the unsafe and unreliable cab companies that for decades have had every chance to provide good service for San Franciscans, yet failed.

    • J. Boronski

      They may be reliable but they are very far from safe. Lyft/Sidecar do not and can not provide commercial insurance. Any accident will result in a web of lawsuits and counter-suits from the rideshare insurer, the rideshare driver’s insurer and the passenger’s insurer.

      You may be right. It may be time to change the laws. But putting a big part of our city’s transportation plan into the hands of venture capitalist who seek to turn a profit on public utilities seems pretty unsafe and unreliable in its own right. Please understand, Lyft/Sidecar would not/could not exist if they had to play by the rules that legit cabs have to deal with. Why do the venture capitalist get their own set of rules?

      • By safe I mean they are not talking or texting on their cell phone while driving. They are not running lights. They are not switching across lanes at the last minute to pick somebody up. They are not making left turns where only buses and cabs are allowed (thereby keeping traffic in their lane moving forward, which benefits everybody.) They are not smoking in their vehicle. Their cars are clean. And you know exactly where they are so you don’t have to wait outside in the cold or rain late at night just so that you don’t miss them.

        I think it’s a big stretch to call these startups “venture capitalists”. VCs do not run the startups. They fund them as investors. I don’t have any issue with that. We call it capitalism.

        The cab industry has had decades to provide the public with safe and reliable service, and failed. It has had decades to evolve technology to make it easier and safer to call for a cab, and failed. It has had decades to be equally available to somebody in the Outer Richmond as downtown, and failed.

        Still not feeling any sympathy for cab drivers/companies. I hope the law embraces ridesharing as a new and long overdue kind of competition in the marketplace. If not, the law will be changed because people, voters, have already understood the value these companies provide.

        • J. Boronski

          How big of a stretch is it to call this a venture capitalist enterprise? Lyft got a a $60 million dollar round of funding from Andreeson Horowitz in May. Last fall Sidecar got $10 million from Lightspeed Ventures. Uber got $32 million from Menlo ventures 18 months ago. They own these companies, sit on the boards, hire the principals, etc.The rideshares are funded almost exclusively by billionaires who know how to pull strings to get what they want. You might not have an issue with it because–of course–you probably like pressing a button and getting what you want when you want it. I, however, question why billionaires get their own set of rules. Please understand, they are counting on your apathy.

          Everything you’re talking about–running red lights, lane switches, etc–is illegal. Believe me, the SFPD pays double attention to taxis. Perversely, it is this “competition in the marketplace” you champion that incentivises reckless driving. Bad drivers don’t last in the industry.

          The reason MUNI/cabs can take some left turns that others can’t is because we are a public utility–something you seem opposed to apprehending in principle.

          Finally, I want to say I am sympathetic to a lot of what you say. The SF taxi industry has coasted for too long and now it has to play catch-up. A lot of the drivers are bad. A lot of the cabs are beat up. A lot of the service is second-rate. I sincerely want a centralized GPS dispatch system that works for passengers and drivers, I want cashless transactions that are fast and secure (they are neither now–you’d be astonished how many card users are fraudulent). I want nice, new cars. I want to fix the industry, not privatize it. Privatizing always sounds good to the armchair Ayn Rands. In practice, however, it has been reliably disastrous–healthcare, toll roads, military contractors, prisons, etc, etc.

          • You say Venture Capitalist the way Ronald Reagan used to say “liberal”, but it’s just not effective. You evidently don’t understand how capitalism works. Venture capitalists don’t run the companies, though they may sit on the boards of the company and the CEO responds to them regarding the success or failure of the business. They fund good ideas as investments that yield a payoff down the line if the startup is successful. It’s risky business, but that’s the way things are done here. Obviously you’ve been assigned or have assumed some responsibility for reigning in public discussion of the issue, so who is paying you? My guess is the taxi industry. And that’s cool, but let’s not pretend like these start-ups are the only ones with substantial backing of one kind or another. That, too, is how things are done here.

            I don’t have a problem with Muni having special left turn lanes. I don’t understand why we allow that luxury to private enterprises such as taxis, especially given their record of bad behavior. (The same could actually be said for Muni.) It’s wonderful you want cashless transactions because I can think of many times when I went to pay a cab fare with a card only to be told the machine was broken. It happens, but it is evidently the rule rather than the exception.

            Let’s just be honest and say that the taxi industry doesn’t need to be fixed. It needs to be scrapped and rebuilt. These startups are disruptive. I applaud them for turning an industry on its head. It is what finally leads to innovation. It’s how things are done in San Francisco, and it’s why, ultimately, these companies will prevail. We’ll see how adept the cab companies are at catching up.

          • J. Boronski

            “Obviously you’ve been assigned or have assumed some responsibility for reigning in public discussion of the issue, so who is paying you?”

            ????

            Because I care about my profession and the livelihoods of my friends and co-workers. It depresses me that you automatically see corporate shills, spin and astroturfing when you encounter genuine advocacy and citizenship. It’s a good measure of the kind of cynicism/paranoia that creeps in when our public discourse is crafted by corporatized individuals. You sound ok with that, it’s “how things are done here”. I’m not ok with it. I refuse to participate in that Hobbesian war of all against all. I’m a cabbie. My badge number is 71475. I’m trying to make a living in a city increasingly priced out of reach because of the billions of dollars of influence that valley firms, their employees, their funders and their shills wield.

            Read the comments here and over at sfgate. Nobody is reigning in anything. Sadly, people are far too willing to sell out the public interest for a nice ride in a grey Prius.

            Somebody should tell AIG and Citigroup and the other firms that got in over their heads in the subprime disaster that capitalism means accepting consequences after taking bold risks. Maybe we can use some of the $700 billion we spent subsidizing their casino-style capitalism to put global positioning systems in all the cabs.

            Do you know why central dispatch doesn’t work for taxis? It’s because if the cab companies could tell us where to go we’d be their employees and they’d have to pay us a living wage and provide sick days and benefits. Might that be a solution to these problems you recite? Pay a living wage and provide security to workers? Why do something as simple and fair as that when you can just as easily stare at the million dollar bauble the billion dollar valley firms dangle in the city’s face as they swipe yet another public utility from the pockets of the people?

            “I applaud them for turning an industry on its head. It is what finally leads to innovation. It’s how things are done in San Francisco.” Maybe. Innovation happens in lots ways. These companies, for example, wouldn’t exist, of course, without the billions of dollars NASA, DARPA, its antecedents and the public sector spent on the development of GPS itself, Innovation can happen in mutually beneficial public/private partnerships as well. The kind of innovation you seem to be rooting for is what Steve Gould used to call punctuated equilibrium–a comet comes down from the sky and suddenly we don’t need dinosaurs any more. It’s a morally neutral proposition in evolutionary biology but in our world–the human world–we have to consider the human costs as well the public interest. I work with a lot of dinosaurs at Arrow Checker and they’re good guys
            who deserve a better deal than watching their retirement plans disappear because a billionaire with a whiteboard convinced a city to settle for the easy fix.

            And since you were good enough to tell me how all this will end, I’ll return the favor: Lyft and/or Sidecar and/or Uber will acquire each other and/or lose funding and go out of business. One big company will be left standing and, without competition, will be able to at least double their rates. A lot of folks will stick with them because they can afford $30 to go just about anywhere. But a lot of other folks–mostly the regular folks who now use the luxury service and can’t believe it’s so cheap and wonder why they’d ever ride in a taxi again–will be priced out and will have to go migrate back to the cabs. But the cabs will be even more poorly cared for now because the higer-end market that effectively subsidized the paratransit riders and regular folks before now have a private fleet at their disposal. So we’ll have two tiers– nice bright limos and town cars and brand new Priuses for the people who make a lot of money and beat-down taxis for the rest of us. Sound familiar? It should. It’s how all privatization schemes end after big money cherry-picks the most lucrative sector and spits out the rest. If you like our current healthcare mess and paying 20X what the rest pof the develped world pays for access then you’re going to love SF transit.

            “The rich get richer, the poor get the picture.”
            –Peter Garrett.

            Hang on to your wallet, friend.

          • Starry Messenger

            My husband is a former Oakland cabbie, and he would agree 100%. I can’t wait to show him your post, he’ll cosign all of that. You should write an article yourself, great stuff.

          • Troy McCormick

            No one cares about the livelihoods of a bunch of rude stinky idiots and with the level of education and service they provide you should all just go to wal-mart or back to your country or something. The people have spoken and they hate you. Look in the mirror. Buy a car and drive for lyft if you want to make a living but i bet you are too angry and rude to get approval so get on food stamps of something.

          • Troy McCormick

            No the taxpayers of San Francisco know what they want.Rideshare drivers use their own cars. Lyft for example is just a software company like Facebook and helps connect people for a purpose. Also Cabs routinely reject disabled people or people that live outside of downtown and Lyft and Sidecar don’t, they take everyone! No one wants to call an asshole that can’t speak english or navigate the city. That is why you have already failed. Lyft doesn’t get to use any of the public utility infrastructure like taxi lanes or parking so why do you get your own set of rules cabs? It’s a two way street. All cabbies are bad drivers in SF and they stink, so you lose.

      • bd3517

        I agree with you about Lyft and Sidecar – I don’t use them and wouldn’t consider driving for them due to the liability issues. However, I would offer that the insurance rules could also adjust to this new set of circumstances, as opposed to just killing the business because they don’t fit the previous models (no doubt this would involve more training/certification for the drivers, etc.)

        • J. Boronski

          I want to employ all the innovations the rideshares now use. I want to modernize the taxi fleets and the technology. What I don’t want is turn over a public utility to billionaires in Silicon valley. The tension comes from balancing the innovation with the rights of the old-timer drivers who have worked within the system for years, paid their dues, played by the rules, driven their asses off to get a shot at a medallion, only to see the entire industry dry up when the VC’s swoop in to cherry-pick a distressed public resource. Every good thing Lyft/Sidecar offers–reliable new cars, cool-ass technology, one-touch payment, on-time pickups–is possible because they skirt the regulations the cabs HAVE TO follow. Their business model simply does not work when they factor in the cost of regulation compliance, medallions, commercial insurance, background checks, training, etc, etc.

          We can have all the innovation and all the safety. Let’s modernize the taxi industry, not privatize it. Please understand that the artificially low rates the rideshares now offer are a joke. The costs will skyrocket once they become entrenched and there will be no entity able to regulate them. We’ll be left with a two-tier system where the monied get the nice expensive rides and the others get whatever else is out there. It’s already happening. Look at the history of privatization and you will see this pattern over and over–schools, prisons, roads, healthcare.

          • Troy McCormick

            No you don’t. You never will modernize taxis. Stop lying. Rideshares are not a public utility. They are just people giving rides on the honor system that many people will donate. You people pay your dues by calling people faggot, groping women, rejecting black customers entirely, tossing customers out, screaming at people. Taxis are already nearly all owned by ONE billionaire and are already privatized, you can claim they are public all you want but they are not they are owned by companies such as Luxor and Yellow Cab, not “san francisco municpal taxi service” ie. Is there a regulation preventing taxis from having new cars? no! cool technology? no. you just don’t want to have an app. so you people are always late because rideshares don’t follow regulations? what regulation do you have that makes you late? your low IQs?taxis are already private, they are not public like muni or a school. your totally glutarded dude.

      • Troy McCormick

        Lyft is very safe all the drivers have insurance and have 1 million dollar extra liability insurance, lyft is not a commercial service so it doesn’t have commercial insurance but it does have insured drives with an extra million in insurance. That paranoia of lawsuits is speculative and deceptive. Taxis are not a public utility, the water power and internet are. Taxis are just a business and in San Francisco they are an awful and unsafe one. Rideshares are many different start ups with many different people working independently not one venture capitalist. There is nothing unsafe about Lyft being a startup, but we sure are not safe with the taxi mafia in SF and you people are on your way out. Lyft/Sidecar are not taxis and never will have to deal with your ridiculous yellow bullshit but they have amazing service which cabs will never have so they would put cabs out of business anyways. Even if it seems like rideshares have different rules well we live in a democracy and San Franciscans want sidecar uber and lyft and they hate you, so bye now.

  • Not feeling much sympathy for cab drivers/companies. The world evolved, and their model is dead. If rideshare services are somehow found to be illegal, that simply means it is time to change the laws to fit the current reality that voters and visitors are choosing every time they choose to use a safe and reliable rideshare service instead of the unsafe and unreliable cab companies that for decades have had every chance to provide good service for San Franciscans, yet failed.

    • J. Boronski

      They may be reliable but they are very far from safe. Lyft/Sidecar do not and can not provide commercial insurance. Any accident will result in a web of lawsuits and counter-suits from the rideshare insurer, the rideshare driver’s insurer and the passenger’s insurer.

      You may be right. It may be time to change the laws. But putting a big part of our city’s transportation plan into the hands of venture capitalist who seek to turn a profit on public utilities seems pretty unsafe and unreliable in its own right. Please understand, Lyft/Sidecar would not/could not exist if they had to play by the rules that legit cabs have to deal with. Why do the venture capitalist get their own set of rules?

      • By safe I mean they are not talking or texting on their cell phone while driving. They are not running lights. They are not switching across lanes at the last minute to pick somebody up. They are not making left turns where only buses and cabs are allowed (thereby keeping traffic in their lane moving forward, which benefits everybody.) They are not smoking in their vehicle. Their cars are clean. And you know exactly where they are so you don’t have to wait outside in the cold or rain late at night just so that you don’t miss them.

        I think it’s a big stretch to call these startups “venture capitalists”. VCs do not run the startups. They fund them as investors. I don’t have any issue with that. We call it capitalism.

        The cab industry has had decades to provide the public with safe and reliable service, and failed. It has had decades to evolve technology to make it easier and safer to call for a cab, and failed. It has had decades to be equally available to somebody in the Outer Richmond as downtown, and failed.

        Still not feeling any sympathy for cab drivers/companies. I hope the law embraces ridesharing as a new and long overdue kind of competition in the marketplace. If not, the law will be changed because people, voters, have already understood the value these companies provide.

        • J. Boronski

          How big of a stretch is it to call this a venture capitalist enterprise? Lyft got a a $60 million dollar round of funding from Andreeson Horowitz in May. Last fall Sidecar got $10 million from Lightspeed Ventures. Uber got $32 million from Menlo ventures 18 months ago. They own these companies, sit on the boards, hire the principals, etc.The rideshares are funded almost exclusively by billionaires who know how to pull strings to get what they want. You might not have an issue with it because–of course–you probably like pressing a button and getting what you want when you want it. I, however, question why billionaires get their own set of rules. Please understand, they are counting on your apathy.

          Everything you’re talking about–running red lights, lane switches, etc–is illegal. Believe me, the SFPD pays double attention to taxis. Perversely, it is this “competition in the marketplace” you champion that incentivises reckless driving. Bad drivers don’t last in the industry.

          The reason MUNI/cabs can take some left turns that others can’t is because we are a public utility–something you seem opposed to apprehending in principle.

          Finally, I want to say I am sympathetic to a lot of what you say. The SF taxi industry has coasted for too long and now it has to play catch-up. A lot of the drivers are bad. A lot of the cabs are beat up. A lot of the service is second-rate. I sincerely want a centralized GPS dispatch system that works for passengers and drivers, I want cashless transactions that are fast and secure (they are neither now–you’d be astonished how many card users are fraudulent). I want nice, new cars. I want to fix the industry, not privatize it. Privatizing always sounds good to the armchair Ayn Rands. In practice, however, it has been reliably disastrous–healthcare, toll roads, military contractors, prisons, etc, etc.

          • You say Venture Capitalist the way Ronald Reagan used to say “liberal”, but it’s just not effective. You evidently don’t understand how capitalism works. Venture capitalists don’t run the companies, though they may sit on the boards of the company and the CEO responds to them regarding the success or failure of the business. They fund good ideas as investments that yield a payoff down the line if the startup is successful. It’s risky business, but that’s the way things are done here. Obviously you’ve been assigned or have assumed some responsibility for reigning in public discussion of the issue, so who is paying you? My guess is the taxi industry. And that’s cool, but let’s not pretend like these start-ups are the only ones with substantial backing of one kind or another. That, too, is how things are done here.

            I don’t have a problem with Muni having special left turn lanes. I don’t understand why we allow that luxury to private enterprises such as taxis, especially given their record of bad behavior. (The same could actually be said for Muni.) It’s wonderful you want cashless transactions because I can think of many times when I went to pay a cab fare with a card only to be told the machine was broken. It happens, but it is evidently the rule rather than the exception.

            Let’s just be honest and say that the taxi industry doesn’t need to be fixed. It needs to be scrapped and rebuilt. These startups are disruptive. I applaud them for turning an industry on its head. It is what finally leads to innovation. It’s how things are done in San Francisco, and it’s why, ultimately, these companies will prevail. We’ll see how adept the cab companies are at catching up.

          • J. Boronski

            “Obviously you’ve been assigned or have assumed some responsibility for reigning in public discussion of the issue, so who is paying you?”

            ????

            Because I care about my profession and the livelihoods of my friends and co-workers. It depresses me that you automatically see corporate shills, spin and astroturfing when you encounter genuine advocacy and citizenship. It’s a good measure of the kind of cynicism/paranoia that creeps in when our public discourse is crafted by corporatized individuals. You sound ok with that, it’s “how things are done here”. I’m not ok with it. I refuse to participate in that Hobbesian war of all against all. I’m a cabbie. My badge number is 71475. I’m trying to make a living in a city increasingly priced out of reach because of the billions of dollars of influence that valley firms, their employees, their funders and their shills wield.

            Read the comments here and over at sfgate. Nobody is reigning in anything. Sadly, people are far too willing to sell out the public interest for a nice ride in a grey Prius.

            Somebody should tell AIG and Citigroup and the other firms that got in over their heads in the subprime disaster that capitalism means accepting consequences after taking bold risks. Maybe we can use some of the $700 billion we spent subsidizing their casino-style capitalism to put global positioning systems in all the cabs.

            Do you know why central dispatch doesn’t work for taxis? It’s because if the cab companies could tell us where to go we’d be their employees and they’d have to pay us a living wage and provide sick days and benefits. Might that be a solution to these problems you recite? Pay a living wage and provide security to workers? Why do something as simple and fair as that when you can just as easily stare at the million dollar bauble the billion dollar valley firms dangle in the city’s face as they swipe yet another public utility from the pockets of the people?

            “I applaud them for turning an industry on its head. It is what finally leads to innovation. It’s how things are done in San Francisco.” Maybe. Innovation happens in lots ways. These companies, for example, wouldn’t exist, of course, without the billions of dollars NASA, DARPA, its antecedents and the public sector spent on the development of GPS itself, Innovation can happen in mutually beneficial public/private partnerships as well. The kind of innovation you seem to be rooting for is what Steve Gould used to call punctuated equilibrium–a comet comes down from the sky and suddenly we don’t need dinosaurs any more. It’s a morally neutral proposition in evolutionary biology but in our world–the human world–we have to consider the human costs as well the public interest. I work with a lot of dinosaurs at Arrow Checker and they’re good guys
            who deserve a better deal than watching their retirement plans disappear because a billionaire with a whiteboard convinced a city to settle for the easy fix.

            And since you were good enough to tell me how all this will end, I’ll return the favor: Lyft and/or Sidecar and/or Uber will acquire each other and/or lose funding and go out of business. One big company will be left standing and, without competition, will be able to at least double their rates. A lot of folks will stick with them because they can afford $30 to go just about anywhere. But a lot of other folks–mostly the regular folks who now use the luxury service and can’t believe it’s so cheap and wonder why they’d ever ride in a taxi again–will be priced out and will have to go migrate back to the cabs. But the cabs will be even more poorly cared for now because the higer-end market that effectively subsidized the paratransit riders and regular folks before now have a private fleet at their disposal. So we’ll have two tiers– nice bright limos and town cars and brand new Priuses for the people who make a lot of money and beat-down taxis for the rest of us. Sound familiar? It should. It’s how all privatization schemes end after big money cherry-picks the most lucrative sector and spits out the rest. If you like our current healthcare mess and paying 20X what the rest pof the develped world pays for access then you’re going to love SF transit.

            “The rich get richer, the poor get the picture.”
            –Peter Garrett.

            Hang on to your wallet, friend.

          • Starry Messenger

            My husband is a former Oakland cabbie, and he would agree 100%. I can’t wait to show him your post, he’ll cosign all of that. You should write an article yourself, great stuff.

          • Troy McCormick

            No one cares about the livelihoods of a bunch of rude stinky idiots and with the level of education and service they provide you should all just go to wal-mart or back to your country or something. The people have spoken and they hate you. Look in the mirror. Buy a car and drive for lyft if you want to make a living but i bet you are too angry and rude to get approval so get on food stamps of something.

          • Troy McCormick

            No the taxpayers of San Francisco know what they want.Rideshare drivers use their own cars. Lyft for example is just a software company like Facebook and helps connect people for a purpose. Also Cabs routinely reject disabled people or people that live outside of downtown and Lyft and Sidecar don’t, they take everyone! No one wants to call an asshole that can’t speak english or navigate the city. That is why you have already failed. Lyft doesn’t get to use any of the public utility infrastructure like taxi lanes or parking so why do you get your own set of rules cabs? It’s a two way street. All cabbies are bad drivers in SF and they stink, so you lose.

      • bd3517

        I agree with you about Lyft and Sidecar – I don’t use them and wouldn’t consider driving for them due to the liability issues. However, I would offer that the insurance rules could also adjust to this new set of circumstances, as opposed to just killing the business because they don’t fit the previous models (no doubt this would involve more training/certification for the drivers, etc.)

        • J. Boronski

          I want to employ all the innovations the rideshares now use. I want to modernize the taxi fleets and the technology. What I don’t want is turn over a public utility to billionaires in Silicon valley. The tension comes from balancing the innovation with the rights of the old-timer drivers who have worked within the system for years, paid their dues, played by the rules, driven their asses off to get a shot at a medallion, only to see the entire industry dry up when the VC’s swoop in to cherry-pick a distressed public resource. Every good thing Lyft/Sidecar offers–reliable new cars, cool-ass technology, one-touch payment, on-time pickups–is possible because they skirt the regulations the cabs HAVE TO follow. Their business model simply does not work when they factor in the cost of regulation compliance, medallions, commercial insurance, background checks, training, etc, etc.

          We can have all the innovation and all the safety. Let’s modernize the taxi industry, not privatize it. Please understand that the artificially low rates the rideshares now offer are a joke. The costs will skyrocket once they become entrenched and there will be no entity able to regulate them. We’ll be left with a two-tier system where the monied get the nice expensive rides and the others get whatever else is out there. It’s already happening. Look at the history of privatization and you will see this pattern over and over–schools, prisons, roads, healthcare.

          • Troy McCormick

            No you don’t. You never will modernize taxis. Stop lying. Rideshares are not a public utility. They are just people giving rides on the honor system that many people will donate. You people pay your dues by calling people faggot, groping women, rejecting black customers entirely, tossing customers out, screaming at people. Taxis are already nearly all owned by ONE billionaire and are already privatized, you can claim they are public all you want but they are not they are owned by companies such as Luxor and Yellow Cab, not “san francisco municpal taxi service” ie. Is there a regulation preventing taxis from having new cars? no! cool technology? no. you just don’t want to have an app. so you people are always late because rideshares don’t follow regulations? what regulation do you have that makes you late? your low IQs?taxis are already private, they are not public like muni or a school. your totally glutarded dude.

      • Troy McCormick

        Lyft is very safe all the drivers have insurance and have 1 million dollar extra liability insurance, lyft is not a commercial service so it doesn’t have commercial insurance but it does have insured drives with an extra million in insurance. That paranoia of lawsuits is speculative and deceptive. Taxis are not a public utility, the water power and internet are. Taxis are just a business and in San Francisco they are an awful and unsafe one. Rideshares are many different start ups with many different people working independently not one venture capitalist. There is nothing unsafe about Lyft being a startup, but we sure are not safe with the taxi mafia in SF and you people are on your way out. Lyft/Sidecar are not taxis and never will have to deal with your ridiculous yellow bullshit but they have amazing service which cabs will never have so they would put cabs out of business anyways. Even if it seems like rideshares have different rules well we live in a democracy and San Franciscans want sidecar uber and lyft and they hate you, so bye now.

  • the law must change. as simple as that.

    • Troy McCormick

      here here rideshares have created a dramatic improvement in the affordability, quality, safety, courtesy, and availability and equal access to people of any background – they actually drive black people and hire women and gays and whites – unlike cabs that price gouge, harass, smell repulsive, don’t drive to or within neighborhoods, and don’t hire women or gays, and don’t drive people around if they aren’t white or chinese or speak the best most clear succint basic english possible so communication can occur

  • the law must change. as simple as that.

    • Troy McCormick

      here here rideshares have created a dramatic improvement in the affordability, quality, safety, courtesy, and availability and equal access to people of any background – they actually drive black people and hire women and gays and whites – unlike cabs that price gouge, harass, smell repulsive, don’t drive to or within neighborhoods, and don’t hire women or gays, and don’t drive people around if they aren’t white or chinese or speak the best most clear succint basic english possible so communication can occur

  • Mark Manners

    The important thing is to show your support when the report comes out and open to public comment. Find out where and post your comments there.

  • Mark Manners

    The important thing is to show your support when the report comes out and open to public comment. Find out where and post your comments there.

  • bd3517

    Methinks the cab companies consider any competition unfair. If the cab companies want to strike back at Uber et al, instead of honking they could try: 1. having dispatch that works 2. being friendly 3. taking credit cards. Not all cabbies are terrible (far from it) but overall cab service here stinks compares to other places I’ve lived (NY and Chicago.)

    • J. Boronski

      You’re right. The Taxi industry needs to wake up, modernize, clean house, etc. Lyft/Sidecar have some good ideas that we need to adopt. The reason dispatch is a mess is simple: cabbies don’t work for the cab companies. We’re independent contractors. If we had to comply with a coherent and functional dispatch system we’d be employees and the companies would have to pay us, give us health insurance, sick days,etc. It’s a systemic flaw. it can be corrected without turning a big part of our city’s transportation plan to some venture capitalists in the valley.

      • bd3517

        Thanks for the insight. A question about dispatch: Uber guys aren’t employees and yet have great dispatch response (from the customer viewpoint.) I don’t know if this means they are “at risk” of being considered employees.

        • J. Boronski

          They are at risk. It’s one of the many laws they openly flout as they cut to the head of the line.

          • Troy McCormick

            no they don’t its not a dispatch system its just a social network that helps people make new friends to give them rides and most people donate you can’t stop people from making donations to friends for giving them rides

          • dangerousjay

            Hundreds of millions of dollars invested by SV venture capital firms so rednecks like you can make new friends? You might actually be more naive than you are ignorant.

      • Troy McCormick

        yeah but you’re not going to ever do it, you people never shower or learn english and you screw people over constantly price gouge them have an unfair ologopoloy which keeps anyone but those with the funds to invest in a taxi cab from working and you people are always late or throwing us out of the car because you spot someone with a suitcase and prefer to take them to the airport for a little more than take me anywhere but midway which is bullshit youre service sucks and no one wants to take a can i would rather walk bike muni or especially lyft you can’t correct a bunch of assholes you never will but lyft can and lyft is actually employing americans and people that are sincerely nice and friendly and with good hygene enough said you’re going the way of the record stores, video stores, and newspapers, get over it and get a job at the dmv if you want to be assholes

        • dangerousjay

          Lyft doesn’t employ anybody. They take the money their independent contractors earn for them. That’s why their business model works–they pay shit and let somebody else pick up the bill for taking care of their contractors.

          You’re really not the person to be complaining about people who can not English. I’d throw your dumb racist ass out of my cab based on your atrocious spelling alone.

  • bd3517

    Methinks the cab companies consider any competition unfair. If the cab companies want to strike back at Uber et al, instead of honking they could try: 1. having dispatch that works 2. being friendly 3. taking credit cards. Not all cabbies are terrible (far from it) but overall cab service here stinks compares to other places I’ve lived (NY and Chicago.)

    • J. Boronski

      You’re right. The Taxi industry needs to wake up, modernize, clean house, etc. Lyft/Sidecar have some good ideas that we need to adopt. The reason dispatch is a mess is simple: cabbies don’t work for the cab companies. We’re independent contractors. If we had to comply with a coherent and functional dispatch system we’d be employees and the companies would have to pay us, give us health insurance, sick days,etc. It’s a systemic flaw. it can be corrected without turning a big part of our city’s transportation plan to some venture capitalists in the valley.

      • bd3517

        Thanks for the insight. A question about dispatch: Uber guys aren’t employees and yet have great dispatch response (from the customer viewpoint.) I don’t know if this means they are “at risk” of being considered employees.

        • J. Boronski

          They are at risk. It’s one of the many laws they openly flout as they cut to the head of the line.

          • Troy McCormick

            no they don’t its not a dispatch system its just a social network that helps people make new friends to give them rides and most people donate you can’t stop people from making donations to friends for giving them rides

          • dangerousjay

            Hundreds of millions of dollars invested by SV venture capital firms so rednecks like you can make new friends? You might actually be more naive than you are ignorant.

      • Troy McCormick

        yeah but you’re not going to ever do it, you people never shower or learn english and you screw people over constantly price gouge them have an unfair ologopoloy which keeps anyone but those with the funds to invest in a taxi cab from working and you people are always late or throwing us out of the car because you spot someone with a suitcase and prefer to take them to the airport for a little more than take me anywhere but midway which is bullshit youre service sucks and no one wants to take a can i would rather walk bike muni or especially lyft you can’t correct a bunch of assholes you never will but lyft can and lyft is actually employing americans and people that are sincerely nice and friendly and with good hygene enough said you’re going the way of the record stores, video stores, and newspapers, get over it and get a job at the dmv if you want to be assholes

        • dangerousjay

          Lyft doesn’t employ anybody. They take the money their independent contractors earn for them. That’s why their business model works–they pay shit and let somebody else pick up the bill for taking care of their contractors.

          You’re really not the person to be complaining about people who can not English. I’d throw your dumb racist ass out of my cab based on your atrocious spelling alone.

  • RBR

    If, Barry Korengold and Mark Gruberg were to jointly state: We’ve heard your complaints and concerns. We are now going to address them amongst our drivers, because so many complaints can’t possibly be all wrong. Then, I would say that we’re accomplishing something.

    • Dean Clark

      Agreed, not once have we heard any responsible party attached to the taxi industry acknowledge consumer complaints and how they can be addressed. I actually take that back Chris Hyashi once said after the published increase in complaints in the news that she is understaffed and has a back log. I think with those back seat terminals passengers should be able to rate the driver so the job is easier for the SFMTA to find out about bad drivers as opposed to the comment cards that you have to mail in.

  • RBR

    If, Barry Korengold and Mark Gruberg were to jointly state: We’ve heard your complaints and concerns. We are now going to address them amongst our drivers, because so many complaints can’t possibly be all wrong. Then, I would say that we’re accomplishing something.

    • Dean Clark

      Agreed, not once have we heard any responsible party attached to the taxi industry acknowledge consumer complaints and how they can be addressed. I actually take that back Chris Hyashi once said after the published increase in complaints in the news that she is understaffed and has a back log. I think with those back seat terminals passengers should be able to rate the driver so the job is easier for the SFMTA to find out about bad drivers as opposed to the comment cards that you have to mail in.

  • Paul P

    With all due respect, the rideshare companies will eventually do themselves in. What people fail to realize is that they have zero insurance on their car, on themselves, or on their passengers as long as they are operating their vehicle as a business, be it compensation by tip or any other means.
    It’s simply inevitable that there will be a bodily injury accident involving one of these rideshare morons that never called to ask if his coverage extends to business circumstances. Then, there will be the inevitable lawsuit which, of course, will be extended to the rideshare company itself.
    Game over.

  • Paul P

    With all due respect, the rideshare companies will eventually do themselves in. What people fail to realize is that they have zero insurance on their car, on themselves, or on their passengers as long as they are operating their vehicle as a business, be it compensation by tip or any other means.
    It’s simply inevitable that there will be a bodily injury accident involving one of these rideshare morons that never called to ask if his coverage extends to business circumstances. Then, there will be the inevitable lawsuit which, of course, will be extended to the rideshare company itself.
    Game over.

  • Dean Clark

    what are you talking about under insured and law biding taxi companies?
    Taxi’s are not safe in San Francisco. Some of the cab companies are
    under insured, take a look at my case against National Cab Company http://www.sanfranciscotaxidrivers.com/
    after driving a taxi and finding out the taxi company did not have
    uninsured motorist coverage, this was also brought to the attention of
    Mark Gruberg at the taxi union and nothing was done to assist me as a
    driver. The taxi industry in San Francisco is corrupt and needs reform!

  • Dean Clark

    what are you talking about under insured and law biding taxi companies?
    Taxi’s are not safe in San Francisco. Some of the cab companies are
    under insured, take a look at my case against National Cab Company http://www.sanfranciscotaxidrivers.com/
    after driving a taxi and finding out the taxi company did not have
    uninsured motorist coverage, this was also brought to the attention of
    Mark Gruberg at the taxi union and nothing was done to assist me as a
    driver. The taxi industry in San Francisco is corrupt and needs reform!

  • Jewli Judd

    perhaps if the cabs lowered their prices, there would not be a need for the rideshare companies

  • Jewli Judd

    perhaps if the cabs lowered their prices, there would not be a need for the rideshare companies

  • Jewli Judd

    I love Homobile

  • Jewli Judd

    I love Homobile

  • brothenberg

    Great article.. if you haven’t tried out any of these services.. give ’em a shot.. You can use promo code “UBERMKZ” for $10 off your first UBERX ride or sign up at https://www.uber.com/go/ubermkz to try out the new UberX.. thanks for the good read. Lyft and Sidecar also have promo’s in their respective cities..

  • brothenberg

    Great article.. if you haven’t tried out any of these services.. give ’em a shot.. You can use promo code “UBERMKZ” for $10 off your first UBERX ride or sign up at https://www.uber.com/go/ubermkz to try out the new UberX.. thanks for the good read. Lyft and Sidecar also have promo’s in their respective cities..

  • Troy McCormick

    if the cabs are so damn regulated why don’t the seatbelts ever work and why do the drivers always reak of shit and can’t speak a word of english or read any signs ?

  • Troy McCormick

    if the cabs are so damn regulated why don’t the seatbelts ever work and why do the drivers always reak of shit and can’t speak a word of english or read any signs ?

  • Lyft is truly a disruptive technology. It also one that discriminates in favor of the highly technologically literate. As minimum requirements, you need a smart phone (iPhone or Android) plus a facebook account to even be eligible to be invited to become a customer.

    Unlike Taxi services, with Lyft you have to apply to become a customer. Not all are accepted and not all those accepted continue as customers. Both customers and drivers rate each other after each ride. If you receive poor ratings from your drivers, you will not remain a customer. The anti-social, the angry and other malcontents will not survive either as drivers or as customers.

    Lyft was born out out of the failings of the taxi industry, an industry which concentrates cabs around tourist hotspots while under serving the rest of the city.

    I am glad to see the competition that Lyft provides and hope that it and other competitors flourish.

    David Elliott Lewis
    San Francisco

    • Forthright

      So according to you malcontents, angry people and anti-socials don’t have access to smartphones? Why, that is possibly the funniest comment I have heard YET in 2013!! Seriously! You are up for a prize for that malarkey!

  • Lyft is truly a disruptive technology. It also one that discriminates in favor of the highly technologically literate. As minimum requirements, you need a smart phone (iPhone or Android) plus a facebook account to even be eligible to be invited to become a customer.

    Unlike Taxi services, with Lyft you have to apply to become a customer. Not all are accepted and not all those accepted continue as customers. Both customers and drivers rate each other after each ride. If you receive poor ratings from your drivers, you will not remain a customer. The anti-social, the angry and other malcontents will not survive either as drivers or as customers.

    Lyft was born out out of the failings of the taxi industry, an industry which concentrates cabs around tourist hotspots while under serving the rest of the city.

    I am glad to see the competition that Lyft provides and hope that it and other competitors flourish.

    David Elliott Lewis
    San Francisco

    • Forthright

      So according to you malcontents, angry people and anti-socials don’t have access to smartphones? Why, that is possibly the funniest comment I have heard YET in 2013!! Seriously! You are up for a prize for that malarkey!