bart_generic.jpgInvestigators are still working to determine exactly what happened when a BART police officer shot and killed a man in San Francisco’s Civic Center Station Sunday evening.

BART spokesperson Linton Johnson says that a “wobbly drunk” on the platform of the Civic Center/UN Plaza Station was reported to BART police dispatchers at 9:30 pm Sunday night.

Two officers, whom BART cannot name due to the the California Peace Officers Bill of Rights, arrived on the platform at 9:45 PM.

“One minute later,” says Johnson, “the officers reported shooting the suspect.” According to the Ex, Johnson said that the number of shots fired or which officer — or both discharged their weapon or weapons was as yet unclear.

The man BART police shot was reportedly armed with a knife, Johnson says. One of the BART police officers “is suffering from cuts and bruises on his arm” as a result of the incident, he says.

Paramedics took the man who was shot to an area hospital (the Ex says it was SF General), where he was pronounced dead an hour later, Johnson said.

“At this point,” Johnson said early Monday morning “police don’t know much about the suspect except that he is a white male.” The two officers involved in the shooting are white and Asian. Both will be questioned by investigators, and have been placed on administrative leave.

As of this morning, investigators do not know if the man BART police shot was the same person originally reported as “wobbly and drunk.”

Shortly after the shooting, BART police investigators say they found glass from what appears to be a shattered bottle and knives at the scene.

Johnson did not provide any details from possible station video camera footage, nor did he say if the officers involved in the shooting were one of the 60 presently equipped with Tasers.

The BART Police Department and the San Francisco Police Department are both conducting criminal investigations. BART Police Chief Kenton Rainey is expected to hold a news conference at 10:30 am Monday, at which more details of the investigation are expected to be revealed.

The Civic Center station is expected to reopen at 8 am Monday, as trains are running on a Sunday schedule for the July 4 holiday. It had been closed all of Sunday night, following the shooting.

According to Johnson, this is the sixth shooting by BART police that has injured or killed someone since 1972, the second since former BART police officer Johannes Mehserle shot and killed Oscar Grant on January 1, 2009.

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Eve Batey is the editor and publisher of the San Francisco Appeal. She used to be the San Francisco Chronicle's Deputy Managing Editor for Online, and started at the Chronicle as their blogging and interactive editor. Before that, she was a co-founding writer and the lead editor of SFist. She's been in the city since 1997, presently living in the Outer Sunset with her husband, cat, and dog. You can reach Eve at eve@sfappeal.com.

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  • everymind

    The Police involved in this latest BART shooting better hope they have real evidence of this person threating officers with life threating/lethal confrontation,like this knife he must have been welding at these officers.Throwing a bottle at officers is not justifiable for the use of deadly force to take a life of a man.In this country don’t we value, in this country, life of all kinds [ examples- dogs,cats,birds,animals of this world,hell even bugs get protection of some kind, from the Government or from privet/public moneys to help keep them from becoming extinct or abused or mistreated.Life is the most precious force all living creatures guard and value the most.And people,as the top living life force in the world,so we think, cherish our lives,and keep them for as long as we can.We protect our lives,make laws to govern over us,and adopt these laws as ways to live by,and by ALL!-Esp-ecially the ones who govern over us,and enforce these rules and laws,and keep our society from falling into lawlessness. The law enforcement agency’s must adopt some form of Video Recording-Digital Recording systems they can carry on there person/uniform to record any and all arrests,or any performances of there duties wile on the job, enforcing the law.I believe that this type of tool can and will keep all involved,from the arrestee to the arresting officer/officers and anyone who may be involved in a legal arrests / or performances of duties by an peace officer.And this will keep any questions that may arise, if the arrested person tries to lie or tries to falsify the factual happenings of an legal arrest,and will help in the investigations of police misconduct/or help prove the officer did HIS/HER legal performance of duties.Questions that District Attorneys,Judges,Attorneys for the City,a jury in a court of law could be answered without having to waste moneys trying cases in the courts,all criminal arrestees will have timely,and speedy hearing before the courts,this can and could help keep all involved honest,recordings don’t lie if they are used properly,and in a timely fashion, recording well before officers arrive on scene, maybe even being controlled by a trusted superior officer from the police station,or through the 911 Fire,Police,Medical–Emergency Communications Department–Computer Aided Dispatch. From the officer to the arrestee,all will be protected from anyone trying to lie, as to what exactly happened during an arrest.Video would be a sure,undisputable, unquestionable, proof of what actually took place,and in this case,if the officers had this man placing them in some life threating danger to make them decide to use serious or deadly force in protecting them selfs from a life threating situation.The use of a video recording-/-Digital Recording of this taking place before they shot this Man,taking his life,would give officers the tool and proof they need to justify there actions , officers would never fall into question of there use of lawful deadly force if they would apply such a tool into there JOB.Yet they will not,due to fear,and being caught in the act of criminal misconduct and or unlawful performances of there duties.At times,and I do stress ({” at times”}) all officers do not partake in lawless performance’s of there sworn duties to protect and serve the law abiding citizens of the states they work in.Yet there is illegal wrongs committed by officers every day in America,and not to much is done to report officer misconduct,and there is no punishment or retraining to help teach them to not continue in there wrongful performances of there duties. Even within there departments,and police agency’s there fellow officers and superior officers overlook there misconduct and turn a blind eye to there fellow officers dishonest or immoral actions. There unions,police Representatives,and agency’s protect there fellow officers,and do not report misconduct,or illegal criminal acts.If all law enforcement officers in California, and in the U.S.A. would ask the Police Officer Standards and Training- P.O.S.T- to make some form of video/digital camera recording system available to them,and to set a form of training and rules to protect officers and the public from having Constitutional and Civil Rights being violated.If Law enforcement,and the community that supports the Heroes that are the Peace Officers of the United States of America,should think very seriously about tooling Peace Officers with this Recording Device.This is an information age,and information is important to the way our Society makes it’s Choices,makes it’s decisions,keeps Capitalism alive and our ways we enjoy living in the United States of America,and technology would help better the ways of,Truth,Justice,and the Way’s of the American LIFE!!All Human Life,need’s to have protection from having there God Given Rights taken away from them by the Police Officers that work for Government,and legally “Police officers are Government Agents,and should perform there duties at a higher standard of ethics then others.And I stress,a lot of them do.But they are all guilty of breaking there own laws they enforce,If the small majority of officers that break & misuse the law for illegal purposes, to strip the freedoms,from people who don’t deserve the punishment. Esp-ecially having there life taken from them,and for nothing more then reaching for a wallet when asked to,but having an officer panic,then lying in a police report stating that the arrestee pulled something shiny,or metallic out,so the officer feared for his life and shot him 7 times along with other arresting officers shooting there 7 rounds into the lifeless body,equaling 15+ times,or turning there backs on an officer,or resisting arrest and being tased 25 times-X-, to death,officers stating in there police reports that the arrestee resisted,and was not compliant to there lawful orders to stop moving,or resisting,and was reaching for a thin peace of plywood to possibly use on the officers to hit them with to escape or harm them,so they needed to Taser him 15+times to stop his resistance of there lawful arrest, or being gassed to death, having there air taken away by a can of Chemical or Pepper spray,then having what little air they have left smashed out of them by officers placing there body weight onto there backs,not allowing the arrestee to breath,positionally asphyxiating the person to death.And hopefully not in this case,someone throwing a bottle,then being shot. Possibly finding the knife after,then saying he was going to use it.There may be video of all this,and this will hang,or exonerate the officers.No one should have any of these things happen to them during an arrest.Some people legally resist officers pain compliance tactics,then officers use more force until they have you placed under arrest.And now all across America,officers are using Deadly force on the people they confront during a call to a scene,or confrontation during an arrest.Shooting people for nothing,using M-16,a weapon maid for military use in WAR.Saying that officers are out gunned by all the assault weapons that are in America.But if you look who is brandishing,or placing these assault weapons into there hands for use,,,,,it’s mostly the police.But it’s there job,I know.But it”s just as scary as and person with a gun.And yes I am for all people who can legally own a gun.It’s a Right by Constitutional Law, our country’s forefathers placed this as a Right for all Americans,and I respect that.But the use of fire arms to hurt citizens by officers that keep the peace?And to have a job that allows a person to use deadly force by use of a fire arm/gun?It’s sad that our officers are choosing to use the Gun rather than stepping back and placing some distance between them and the arrestee and try and not use this deadly force.And believe me I know that Officers and law enforcement Agents do this 70% to 90% of the time,and do the job with honer to there duty.I do acknowledge this,and I wish to let any reader see this.But I am going to point out this over excessive use of deadly force by any officer.And I do hold all officers responsible for the wrong doings by there fellow brothers & sisters.It’s every law enforcement agents duty to up hold the law within there ranks.And It’s imposable most of the time,fellow officers being told on by an fellow officer is looked at as being a RAT within the the shield of Blue,or is it black now?I call all who feel that what took place before this shooting,the wrongful shooting of the last BART victim that was executed for disturbing the peace/throwing a fit,and if any of you seen the video of ex officer Johannes Mehserle drawing his firearm and the way he shot Oscar Grant,it was execution stile,the way he drew it out,the way he held it,and used it.I studied the policy’s of department use of Tasers,and firearms.The use of a Taser by ether firing the prongs,or press stunning a person,has a process of things to do.If press stunning,the cartage must be ejected,and at such close proximity to Oscar Grant,I do not feel that any officer would have made the choice to fire the Taser prongs into him without getting up and placing some firing distance between himself and the arrestee.But it was one of those things that I feel is wrong,and inhuman.Oscar did nothing that wrong to have deadly force use on him,and I know Johannes Mehserle made the ugly choice to use deadly force,and use the excuse of saying he mistakenly thought it was his taser & not his firearm.There is a BIG,BIG difference between a Gun And a Taser,and a big difference in how they are deployed/used.Just ask Taser International for the instructions on the use of there Tasers and you will know what I mean.We need our police officers to be watched 27/7,not through harassing ways,or disrespect,but by all who have a camera that can record any arrest being made and make a visual record,and have someone hold it for you,or submit a copy to the department in question by an outside person not of the city and show the police department that misconduct and unlawful abuses and excessive force will not be tolerated by law enforcement. Department superiors,city council members,and responsible citizens should monitor or oversee policing the police.I feel we should all speek up for all who are gun downed or assaulted by officers,or who are wrongfully arrested and convicted by officers abusing the law to felon-ize an arrestee for nothing.And we need to ask that our Government step up and into making a law to force law enforcement to excepting a visual recording device for the policing,and protection of every United States Citizen,that way our Constitutional and civil rights will never again be violated by illegal misconduct and abusive authorities within Law enforcement.As a last resort,officers should exercise the use of deadly force to protect there life’s,and Im seeing more and more use of the Gun by officers,and in no way should there gun come out of there holster other than to shoot someone!Them pulling out there gun to force an arrestee to comply to a directive/or lawful order is threating the life of the person being arrested.Is it not?If anyone pulls a gun on another person,doesn’t that person feel his life is in danger?Why should police officers be allowed to draw a deadly weapon out of it’s holster for the use of making an arrestee comply by threat of there Life,that protected Right that was given to us,the children of our Fathers who established this,the greatest country in this World.Police must stop exercising the use of deadly force by gun,and deadly force by any other tactic,or training method.Life is worth law enforcement agents to comply to the Rights of all who are American’s.Wrongful Death by Cop must STOP!Vote this into Legislation,all officers must use a state or governmental issued Recording device, to be used in the lawful and TRUTHFUL recordings of all who are to be arrested,every performing action of the arrest will never come into question for the honest and lawful officer or Citizen.Have the governing body’s of the state of California in Sacramento,and every county of the State of California,to protect our Rights written in the Constitution of the United States,and in the California constitution.Law enforcement should protect them selfs from someone trying to kill our seriously trying to harm them.But they need to stop there excessive use of deadly force,and the misuse of there firearms for every little thing,it only brings things dangerously close to taking a life,a human life made by God,the most cherished and part of being a person.Our life.I have ranted my narative quite long enough,and coming from someone like,well it does’nt mean much. Aug

  • everymind

    The Police involved in this latest BART shooting better hope they have real evidence of this person threating officers with life threating/lethal confrontation,like this knife he must have been welding at these officers.Throwing a bottle at officers is not justifiable for the use of deadly force to take a life of a man.In this country don’t we value, in this country, life of all kinds [ examples- dogs,cats,birds,animals of this world,hell even bugs get protection of some kind, from the Government or from privet/public moneys to help keep them from becoming extinct or abused or mistreated.Life is the most precious force all living creatures guard and value the most.And people,as the top living life force in the world,so we think, cherish our lives,and keep them for as long as we can.We protect our lives,make laws to govern over us,and adopt these laws as ways to live by,and by ALL!-Esp-ecially the ones who govern over us,and enforce these rules and laws,and keep our society from falling into lawlessness. The law enforcement agency’s must adopt some form of Video Recording-Digital Recording systems they can carry on there person/uniform to record any and all arrests,or any performances of there duties wile on the job, enforcing the law.I believe that this type of tool can and will keep all involved,from the arrestee to the arresting officer/officers and anyone who may be involved in a legal arrests / or performances of duties by an peace officer.And this will keep any questions that may arise, if the arrested person tries to lie or tries to falsify the factual happenings of an legal arrest,and will help in the investigations of police misconduct/or help prove the officer did HIS/HER legal performance of duties.Questions that District Attorneys,Judges,Attorneys for the City,a jury in a court of law could be answered without having to waste moneys trying cases in the courts,all criminal arrestees will have timely,and speedy hearing before the courts,this can and could help keep all involved honest,recordings don’t lie if they are used properly,and in a timely fashion, recording well before officers arrive on scene, maybe even being controlled by a trusted superior officer from the police station,or through the 911 Fire,Police,Medical–Emergency Communications Department–Computer Aided Dispatch. From the officer to the arrestee,all will be protected from anyone trying to lie, as to what exactly happened during an arrest.Video would be a sure,undisputable, unquestionable, proof of what actually took place,and in this case,if the officers had this man placing them in some life threating danger to make them decide to use serious or deadly force in protecting them selfs from a life threating situation.The use of a video recording-/-Digital Recording of this taking place before they shot this Man,taking his life,would give officers the tool and proof they need to justify there actions , officers would never fall into question of there use of lawful deadly force if they would apply such a tool into there JOB.Yet they will not,due to fear,and being caught in the act of criminal misconduct and or unlawful performances of there duties.At times,and I do stress ({” at times”}) all officers do not partake in lawless performance’s of there sworn duties to protect and serve the law abiding citizens of the states they work in.Yet there is illegal wrongs committed by officers every day in America,and not to much is done to report officer misconduct,and there is no punishment or retraining to help teach them to not continue in there wrongful performances of there duties. Even within there departments,and police agency’s there fellow officers and superior officers overlook there misconduct and turn a blind eye to there fellow officers dishonest or immoral actions. There unions,police Representatives,and agency’s protect there fellow officers,and do not report misconduct,or illegal criminal acts.If all law enforcement officers in California, and in the U.S.A. would ask the Police Officer Standards and Training- P.O.S.T- to make some form of video/digital camera recording system available to them,and to set a form of training and rules to protect officers and the public from having Constitutional and Civil Rights being violated.If Law enforcement,and the community that supports the Heroes that are the Peace Officers of the United States of America,should think very seriously about tooling Peace Officers with this Recording Device.This is an information age,and information is important to the way our Society makes it’s Choices,makes it’s decisions,keeps Capitalism alive and our ways we enjoy living in the United States of America,and technology would help better the ways of,Truth,Justice,and the Way’s of the American LIFE!!All Human Life,need’s to have protection from having there God Given Rights taken away from them by the Police Officers that work for Government,and legally “Police officers are Government Agents,and should perform there duties at a higher standard of ethics then others.And I stress,a lot of them do.But they are all guilty of breaking there own laws they enforce,If the small majority of officers that break & misuse the law for illegal purposes, to strip the freedoms,from people who don’t deserve the punishment. Esp-ecially having there life taken from them,and for nothing more then reaching for a wallet when asked to,but having an officer panic,then lying in a police report stating that the arrestee pulled something shiny,or metallic out,so the officer feared for his life and shot him 7 times along with other arresting officers shooting there 7 rounds into the lifeless body,equaling 15+ times,or turning there backs on an officer,or resisting arrest and being tased 25 times-X-, to death,officers stating in there police reports that the arrestee resisted,and was not compliant to there lawful orders to stop moving,or resisting,and was reaching for a thin peace of plywood to possibly use on the officers to hit them with to escape or harm them,so they needed to Taser him 15+times to stop his resistance of there lawful arrest, or being gassed to death, having there air taken away by a can of Chemical or Pepper spray,then having what little air they have left smashed out of them by officers placing there body weight onto there backs,not allowing the arrestee to breath,positionally asphyxiating the person to death.And hopefully not in this case,someone throwing a bottle,then being shot. Possibly finding the knife after,then saying he was going to use it.There may be video of all this,and this will hang,or exonerate the officers.No one should have any of these things happen to them during an arrest.Some people legally resist officers pain compliance tactics,then officers use more force until they have you placed under arrest.And now all across America,officers are using Deadly force on the people they confront during a call to a scene,or confrontation during an arrest.Shooting people for nothing,using M-16,a weapon maid for military use in WAR.Saying that officers are out gunned by all the assault weapons that are in America.But if you look who is brandishing,or placing these assault weapons into there hands for use,,,,,it’s mostly the police.But it’s there job,I know.But it”s just as scary as and person with a gun.And yes I am for all people who can legally own a gun.It’s a Right by Constitutional Law, our country’s forefathers placed this as a Right for all Americans,and I respect that.But the use of fire arms to hurt citizens by officers that keep the peace?And to have a job that allows a person to use deadly force by use of a fire arm/gun?It’s sad that our officers are choosing to use the Gun rather than stepping back and placing some distance between them and the arrestee and try and not use this deadly force.And believe me I know that Officers and law enforcement Agents do this 70% to 90% of the time,and do the job with honer to there duty.I do acknowledge this,and I wish to let any reader see this.But I am going to point out this over excessive use of deadly force by any officer.And I do hold all officers responsible for the wrong doings by there fellow brothers & sisters.It’s every law enforcement agents duty to up hold the law within there ranks.And It’s imposable most of the time,fellow officers being told on by an fellow officer is looked at as being a RAT within the the shield of Blue,or is it black now?I call all who feel that what took place before this shooting,the wrongful shooting of the last BART victim that was executed for disturbing the peace/throwing a fit,and if any of you seen the video of ex officer Johannes Mehserle drawing his firearm and the way he shot Oscar Grant,it was execution stile,the way he drew it out,the way he held it,and used it.I studied the policy’s of department use of Tasers,and firearms.The use of a Taser by ether firing the prongs,or press stunning a person,has a process of things to do.If press stunning,the cartage must be ejected,and at such close proximity to Oscar Grant,I do not feel that any officer would have made the choice to fire the Taser prongs into him without getting up and placing some firing distance between himself and the arrestee.But it was one of those things that I feel is wrong,and inhuman.Oscar did nothing that wrong to have deadly force use on him,and I know Johannes Mehserle made the ugly choice to use deadly force,and use the excuse of saying he mistakenly thought it was his taser & not his firearm.There is a BIG,BIG difference between a Gun And a Taser,and a big difference in how they are deployed/used.Just ask Taser International for the instructions on the use of there Tasers and you will know what I mean.We need our police officers to be watched 27/7,not through harassing ways,or disrespect,but by all who have a camera that can record any arrest being made and make a visual record,and have someone hold it for you,or submit a copy to the department in question by an outside person not of the city and show the police department that misconduct and unlawful abuses and excessive force will not be tolerated by law enforcement. Department superiors,city council members,and responsible citizens should monitor or oversee policing the police.I feel we should all speek up for all who are gun downed or assaulted by officers,or who are wrongfully arrested and convicted by officers abusing the law to felon-ize an arrestee for nothing.And we need to ask that our Government step up and into making a law to force law enforcement to excepting a visual recording device for the policing,and protection of every United States Citizen,that way our Constitutional and civil rights will never again be violated by illegal misconduct and abusive authorities within Law enforcement.As a last resort,officers should exercise the use of deadly force to protect there life’s,and Im seeing more and more use of the Gun by officers,and in no way should there gun come out of there holster other than to shoot someone!Them pulling out there gun to force an arrestee to comply to a directive/or lawful order is threating the life of the person being arrested.Is it not?If anyone pulls a gun on another person,doesn’t that person feel his life is in danger?Why should police officers be allowed to draw a deadly weapon out of it’s holster for the use of making an arrestee comply by threat of there Life,that protected Right that was given to us,the children of our Fathers who established this,the greatest country in this World.Police must stop exercising the use of deadly force by gun,and deadly force by any other tactic,or training method.Life is worth law enforcement agents to comply to the Rights of all who are American’s.Wrongful Death by Cop must STOP!Vote this into Legislation,all officers must use a state or governmental issued Recording device, to be used in the lawful and TRUTHFUL recordings of all who are to be arrested,every performing action of the arrest will never come into question for the honest and lawful officer or Citizen.Have the governing body’s of the state of California in Sacramento,and every county of the State of California,to protect our Rights written in the Constitution of the United States,and in the California constitution.Law enforcement should protect them selfs from someone trying to kill our seriously trying to harm them.But they need to stop there excessive use of deadly force,and the misuse of there firearms for every little thing,it only brings things dangerously close to taking a life,a human life made by God,the most cherished and part of being a person.Our life.I have ranted my narative quite long enough,and coming from someone like,well it does’nt mean much. Aug

  • everymind

    The Police involved in this latest BART shooting better hope they have real evidence of this person threating officers with life threating/lethal confrontation,like this knife he must have been welding at these officers.Throwing a bottle at officers is not justifiable for the use of deadly force to take a life of a man.In this country don’t we value, in this country, life of all kinds [ examples- dogs,cats,birds,animals of this world,hell even bugs get protection of some kind, from the Government or from privet/public moneys to help keep them from becoming extinct or abused or mistreated.Life is the most precious force all living creatures guard and value the most.And people,as the top living life force in the world,so we think, cherish our lives,and keep them for as long as we can.We protect our lives,make laws to govern over us,and adopt these laws as ways to live by,and by ALL!-Esp-ecially the ones who govern over us,and enforce these rules and laws,and keep our society from falling into lawlessness. The law enforcement agency’s must adopt some form of Video Recording-Digital Recording systems they can carry on there person/uniform to record any and all arrests,or any performances of there duties wile on the job, enforcing the law.I believe that this type of tool can and will keep all involved,from the arrestee to the arresting officer/officers and anyone who may be involved in a legal arrests / or performances of duties by an peace officer.And this will keep any questions that may arise, if the arrested person tries to lie or tries to falsify the factual happenings of an legal arrest,and will help in the investigations of police misconduct/or help prove the officer did HIS/HER legal performance of duties.Questions that District Attorneys,Judges,Attorneys for the City,a jury in a court of law could be answered without having to waste moneys trying cases in the courts,all criminal arrestees will have timely,and speedy hearing before the courts,this can and could help keep all involved honest,recordings don’t lie if they are used properly,and in a timely fashion, recording well before officers arrive on scene, maybe even being controlled by a trusted superior officer from the police station,or through the 911 Fire,Police,Medical–Emergency Communications Department–Computer Aided Dispatch. From the officer to the arrestee,all will be protected from anyone trying to lie, as to what exactly happened during an arrest.Video would be a sure,undisputable, unquestionable, proof of what actually took place,and in this case,if the officers had this man placing them in some life threating danger to make them decide to use serious or deadly force in protecting them selfs from a life threating situation.The use of a video recording-/-Digital Recording of this taking place before they shot this Man,taking his life,would give officers the tool and proof they need to justify there actions , officers would never fall into question of there use of lawful deadly force if they would apply such a tool into there JOB.Yet they will not,due to fear,and being caught in the act of criminal misconduct and or unlawful performances of there duties.At times,and I do stress ({” at times”}) all officers do not partake in lawless performance’s of there sworn duties to protect and serve the law abiding citizens of the states they work in.Yet there is illegal wrongs committed by officers every day in America,and not to much is done to report officer misconduct,and there is no punishment or retraining to help teach them to not continue in there wrongful performances of there duties. Even within there departments,and police agency’s there fellow officers and superior officers overlook there misconduct and turn a blind eye to there fellow officers dishonest or immoral actions. There unions,police Representatives,and agency’s protect there fellow officers,and do not report misconduct,or illegal criminal acts.If all law enforcement officers in California, and in the U.S.A. would ask the Police Officer Standards and Training- P.O.S.T- to make some form of video/digital camera recording system available to them,and to set a form of training and rules to protect officers and the public from having Constitutional and Civil Rights being violated.If Law enforcement,and the community that supports the Heroes that are the Peace Officers of the United States of America,should think very seriously about tooling Peace Officers with this Recording Device.This is an information age,and information is important to the way our Society makes it’s Choices,makes it’s decisions,keeps Capitalism alive and our ways we enjoy living in the United States of America,and technology would help better the ways of,Truth,Justice,and the Way’s of the American LIFE!!All Human Life,need’s to have protection from having there God Given Rights taken away from them by the Police Officers that work for Government,and legally “Police officers are Government Agents,and should perform there duties at a higher standard of ethics then others.And I stress,a lot of them do.But they are all guilty of breaking there own laws they enforce,If the small majority of officers that break & misuse the law for illegal purposes, to strip the freedoms,from people who don’t deserve the punishment. Esp-ecially having there life taken from them,and for nothing more then reaching for a wallet when asked to,but having an officer panic,then lying in a police report stating that the arrestee pulled something shiny,or metallic out,so the officer feared for his life and shot him 7 times along with other arresting officers shooting there 7 rounds into the lifeless body,equaling 15+ times,or turning there backs on an officer,or resisting arrest and being tased 25 times-X-, to death,officers stating in there police reports that the arrestee resisted,and was not compliant to there lawful orders to stop moving,or resisting,and was reaching for a thin peace of plywood to possibly use on the officers to hit them with to escape or harm them,so they needed to Taser him 15+times to stop his resistance of there lawful arrest, or being gassed to death, having there air taken away by a can of Chemical or Pepper spray,then having what little air they have left smashed out of them by officers placing there body weight onto there backs,not allowing the arrestee to breath,positionally asphyxiating the person to death.And hopefully not in this case,someone throwing a bottle,then being shot. Possibly finding the knife after,then saying he was going to use it.There may be video of all this,and this will hang,or exonerate the officers.No one should have any of these things happen to them during an arrest.Some people legally resist officers pain compliance tactics,then officers use more force until they have you placed under arrest.And now all across America,officers are using Deadly force on the people they confront during a call to a scene,or confrontation during an arrest.Shooting people for nothing,using M-16,a weapon maid for military use in WAR.Saying that officers are out gunned by all the assault weapons that are in America.But if you look who is brandishing,or placing these assault weapons into there hands for use,,,,,it’s mostly the police.But it’s there job,I know.But it”s just as scary as and person with a gun.And yes I am for all people who can legally own a gun.It’s a Right by Constitutional Law, our country’s forefathers placed this as a Right for all Americans,and I respect that.But the use of fire arms to hurt citizens by officers that keep the peace?And to have a job that allows a person to use deadly force by use of a fire arm/gun?It’s sad that our officers are choosing to use the Gun rather than stepping back and placing some distance between them and the arrestee and try and not use this deadly force.And believe me I know that Officers and law enforcement Agents do this 70% to 90% of the time,and do the job with honer to there duty.I do acknowledge this,and I wish to let any reader see this.But I am going to point out this over excessive use of deadly force by any officer.And I do hold all officers responsible for the wrong doings by there fellow brothers & sisters.It’s every law enforcement agents duty to up hold the law within there ranks.And It’s imposable most of the time,fellow officers being told on by an fellow officer is looked at as being a RAT within the the shield of Blue,or is it black now?I call all who feel that what took place before this shooting,the wrongful shooting of the last BART victim that was executed for disturbing the peace/throwing a fit,and if any of you seen the video of ex officer Johannes Mehserle drawing his firearm and the way he shot Oscar Grant,it was execution stile,the way he drew it out,the way he held it,and used it.I studied the policy’s of department use of Tasers,and firearms.The use of a Taser by ether firing the prongs,or press stunning a person,has a process of things to do.If press stunning,the cartage must be ejected,and at such close proximity to Oscar Grant,I do not feel that any officer would have made the choice to fire the Taser prongs into him without getting up and placing some firing distance between himself and the arrestee.But it was one of those things that I feel is wrong,and inhuman.Oscar did nothing that wrong to have deadly force use on him,and I know Johannes Mehserle made the ugly choice to use deadly force,and use the excuse of saying he mistakenly thought it was his taser & not his firearm.There is a BIG,BIG difference between a Gun And a Taser,and a big difference in how they are deployed/used.Just ask Taser International for the instructions on the use of there Tasers and you will know what I mean.We need our police officers to be watched 27/7,not through harassing ways,or disrespect,but by all who have a camera that can record any arrest being made and make a visual record,and have someone hold it for you,or submit a copy to the department in question by an outside person not of the city and show the police department that misconduct and unlawful abuses and excessive force will not be tolerated by law enforcement. Department superiors,city council members,and responsible citizens should monitor or oversee policing the police.I feel we should all speek up for all who are gun downed or assaulted by officers,or who are wrongfully arrested and convicted by officers abusing the law to felon-ize an arrestee for nothing.And we need to ask that our Government step up and into making a law to force law enforcement to excepting a visual recording device for the policing,and protection of every United States Citizen,that way our Constitutional and civil rights will never again be violated by illegal misconduct and abusive authorities within Law enforcement.As a last resort,officers should exercise the use of deadly force to protect there life’s,and Im seeing more and more use of the Gun by officers,and in no way should there gun come out of there holster other than to shoot someone!Them pulling out there gun to force an arrestee to comply to a directive/or lawful order is threating the life of the person being arrested.Is it not?If anyone pulls a gun on another person,doesn’t that person feel his life is in danger?Why should police officers be allowed to draw a deadly weapon out of it’s holster for the use of making an arrestee comply by threat of there Life,that protected Right that was given to us,the children of our Fathers who established this,the greatest country in this World.Police must stop exercising the use of deadly force by gun,and deadly force by any other tactic,or training method.Life is worth law enforcement agents to comply to the Rights of all who are American’s.Wrongful Death by Cop must STOP!Vote this into Legislation,all officers must use a state or governmental issued Recording device, to be used in the lawful and TRUTHFUL recordings of all who are to be arrested,every performing action of the arrest will never come into question for the honest and lawful officer or Citizen.Have the governing body’s of the state of California in Sacramento,and every county of the State of California,to protect our Rights written in the Constitution of the United States,and in the California constitution.Law enforcement should protect them selfs from someone trying to kill our seriously trying to harm them.But they need to stop there excessive use of deadly force,and the misuse of there firearms for every little thing,it only brings things dangerously close to taking a life,a human life made by God,the most cherished and part of being a person.Our life.I have ranted my narative quite long enough,and coming from someone like,well it does’nt mean much. Aug

  • everymind

    The Police involved in this latest BART shooting better hope they have real evidence of this person threating officers with life threating/lethal confrontation,like this knife he must have been welding at these officers.Throwing a bottle at officers is not justifiable for the use of deadly force to take a life of a man.In this country don’t we value, in this country, life of all kinds [ examples- dogs,cats,birds,animals of this world,hell even bugs get protection of some kind, from the Government or from privet/public moneys to help keep them from becoming extinct or abused or mistreated.Life is the most precious force all living creatures guard and value the most.And people,as the top living life force in the world,so we think, cherish our lives,and keep them for as long as we can.We protect our lives,make laws to govern over us,and adopt these laws as ways to live by,and by ALL!-Esp-ecially the ones who govern over us,and enforce these rules and laws,and keep our society from falling into lawlessness. The law enforcement agency’s must adopt some form of Video Recording-Digital Recording systems they can carry on there person/uniform to record any and all arrests,or any performances of there duties wile on the job, enforcing the law.I believe that this type of tool can and will keep all involved,from the arrestee to the arresting officer/officers and anyone who may be involved in a legal arrests / or performances of duties by an peace officer.And this will keep any questions that may arise, if the arrested person tries to lie or tries to falsify the factual happenings of an legal arrest,and will help in the investigations of police misconduct/or help prove the officer did HIS/HER legal performance of duties.Questions that District Attorneys,Judges,Attorneys for the City,a jury in a court of law could be answered without having to waste moneys trying cases in the courts,all criminal arrestees will have timely,and speedy hearing before the courts,this can and could help keep all involved honest,recordings don’t lie if they are used properly,and in a timely fashion, recording well before officers arrive on scene, maybe even being controlled by a trusted superior officer from the police station,or through the 911 Fire,Police,Medical–Emergency Communications Department–Computer Aided Dispatch. From the officer to the arrestee,all will be protected from anyone trying to lie, as to what exactly happened during an arrest.Video would be a sure,undisputable, unquestionable, proof of what actually took place,and in this case,if the officers had this man placing them in some life threating danger to make them decide to use serious or deadly force in protecting them selfs from a life threating situation.The use of a video recording-/-Digital Recording of this taking place before they shot this Man,taking his life,would give officers the tool and proof they need to justify there actions , officers would never fall into question of there use of lawful deadly force if they would apply such a tool into there JOB.Yet they will not,due to fear,and being caught in the act of criminal misconduct and or unlawful performances of there duties.At times,and I do stress ({” at times”}) all officers do not partake in lawless performance’s of there sworn duties to protect and serve the law abiding citizens of the states they work in.Yet there is illegal wrongs committed by officers every day in America,and not to much is done to report officer misconduct,and there is no punishment or retraining to help teach them to not continue in there wrongful performances of there duties. Even within there departments,and police agency’s there fellow officers and superior officers overlook there misconduct and turn a blind eye to there fellow officers dishonest or immoral actions. There unions,police Representatives,and agency’s protect there fellow officers,and do not report misconduct,or illegal criminal acts.If all law enforcement officers in California, and in the U.S.A. would ask the Police Officer Standards and Training- P.O.S.T- to make some form of video/digital camera recording system available to them,and to set a form of training and rules to protect officers and the public from having Constitutional and Civil Rights being violated.If Law enforcement,and the community that supports the Heroes that are the Peace Officers of the United States of America,should think very seriously about tooling Peace Officers with this Recording Device.This is an information age,and information is important to the way our Society makes it’s Choices,makes it’s decisions,keeps Capitalism alive and our ways we enjoy living in the United States of America,and technology would help better the ways of,Truth,Justice,and the Way’s of the American LIFE!!All Human Life,need’s to have protection from having there God Given Rights taken away from them by the Police Officers that work for Government,and legally “Police officers are Government Agents,and should perform there duties at a higher standard of ethics then others.And I stress,a lot of them do.But they are all guilty of breaking there own laws they enforce,If the small majority of officers that break & misuse the law for illegal purposes, to strip the freedoms,from people who don’t deserve the punishment. Esp-ecially having there life taken from them,and for nothing more then reaching for a wallet when asked to,but having an officer panic,then lying in a police report stating that the arrestee pulled something shiny,or metallic out,so the officer feared for his life and shot him 7 times along with other arresting officers shooting there 7 rounds into the lifeless body,equaling 15+ times,or turning there backs on an officer,or resisting arrest and being tased 25 times-X-, to death,officers stating in there police reports that the arrestee resisted,and was not compliant to there lawful orders to stop moving,or resisting,and was reaching for a thin peace of plywood to possibly use on the officers to hit them with to escape or harm them,so they needed to Taser him 15+times to stop his resistance of there lawful arrest, or being gassed to death, having there air taken away by a can of Chemical or Pepper spray,then having what little air they have left smashed out of them by officers placing there body weight onto there backs,not allowing the arrestee to breath,positionally asphyxiating the person to death.And hopefully not in this case,someone throwing a bottle,then being shot. Possibly finding the knife after,then saying he was going to use it.There may be video of all this,and this will hang,or exonerate the officers.No one should have any of these things happen to them during an arrest.Some people legally resist officers pain compliance tactics,then officers use more force until they have you placed under arrest.And now all across America,officers are using Deadly force on the people they confront during a call to a scene,or confrontation during an arrest.Shooting people for nothing,using M-16,a weapon maid for military use in WAR.Saying that officers are out gunned by all the assault weapons that are in America.But if you look who is brandishing,or placing these assault weapons into there hands for use,,,,,it’s mostly the police.But it’s there job,I know.But it”s just as scary as and person with a gun.And yes I am for all people who can legally own a gun.It’s a Right by Constitutional Law, our country’s forefathers placed this as a Right for all Americans,and I respect that.But the use of fire arms to hurt citizens by officers that keep the peace?And to have a job that allows a person to use deadly force by use of a fire arm/gun?It’s sad that our officers are choosing to use the Gun rather than stepping back and placing some distance between them and the arrestee and try and not use this deadly force.And believe me I know that Officers and law enforcement Agents do this 70% to 90% of the time,and do the job with honer to there duty.I do acknowledge this,and I wish to let any reader see this.But I am going to point out this over excessive use of deadly force by any officer.And I do hold all officers responsible for the wrong doings by there fellow brothers & sisters.It’s every law enforcement agents duty to up hold the law within there ranks.And It’s imposable most of the time,fellow officers being told on by an fellow officer is looked at as being a RAT within the the shield of Blue,or is it black now?I call all who feel that what took place before this shooting,the wrongful shooting of the last BART victim that was executed for disturbing the peace/throwing a fit,and if any of you seen the video of ex officer Johannes Mehserle drawing his firearm and the way he shot Oscar Grant,it was execution stile,the way he drew it out,the way he held it,and used it.I studied the policy’s of department use of Tasers,and firearms.The use of a Taser by ether firing the prongs,or press stunning a person,has a process of things to do.If press stunning,the cartage must be ejected,and at such close proximity to Oscar Grant,I do not feel that any officer would have made the choice to fire the Taser prongs into him without getting up and placing some firing distance between himself and the arrestee.But it was one of those things that I feel is wrong,and inhuman.Oscar did nothing that wrong to have deadly force use on him,and I know Johannes Mehserle made the ugly choice to use deadly force,and use the excuse of saying he mistakenly thought it was his taser & not his firearm.There is a BIG,BIG difference between a Gun And a Taser,and a big difference in how they are deployed/used.Just ask Taser International for the instructions on the use of there Tasers and you will know what I mean.We need our police officers to be watched 27/7,not through harassing ways,or disrespect,but by all who have a camera that can record any arrest being made and make a visual record,and have someone hold it for you,or submit a copy to the department in question by an outside person not of the city and show the police department that misconduct and unlawful abuses and excessive force will not be tolerated by law enforcement. Department superiors,city council members,and responsible citizens should monitor or oversee policing the police.I feel we should all speek up for all who are gun downed or assaulted by officers,or who are wrongfully arrested and convicted by officers abusing the law to felon-ize an arrestee for nothing.And we need to ask that our Government step up and into making a law to force law enforcement to excepting a visual recording device for the policing,and protection of every United States Citizen,that way our Constitutional and civil rights will never again be violated by illegal misconduct and abusive authorities within Law enforcement.As a last resort,officers should exercise the use of deadly force to protect there life’s,and Im seeing more and more use of the Gun by officers,and in no way should there gun come out of there holster other than to shoot someone!Them pulling out there gun to force an arrestee to comply to a directive/or lawful order is threating the life of the person being arrested.Is it not?If anyone pulls a gun on another person,doesn’t that person feel his life is in danger?Why should police officers be allowed to draw a deadly weapon out of it’s holster for the use of making an arrestee comply by threat of there Life,that protected Right that was given to us,the children of our Fathers who established this,the greatest country in this World.Police must stop exercising the use of deadly force by gun,and deadly force by any other tactic,or training method.Life is worth law enforcement agents to comply to the Rights of all who are American’s.Wrongful Death by Cop must STOP!Vote this into Legislation,all officers must use a state or governmental issued Recording device, to be used in the lawful and TRUTHFUL recordings of all who are to be arrested,every performing action of the arrest will never come into question for the honest and lawful officer or Citizen.Have the governing body’s of the state of California in Sacramento,and every county of the State of California,to protect our Rights written in the Constitution of the United States,and in the California constitution.Law enforcement should protect them selfs from someone trying to kill our seriously trying to harm them.But they need to stop there excessive use of deadly force,and the misuse of there firearms for every little thing,it only brings things dangerously close to taking a life,a human life made by God,the most cherished and part of being a person.Our life.I have ranted my narative quite long enough,and coming from someone like,well it does’nt mean much. Aug

  • Mike

    What a bunch of crap. Cops are now the local thugs

  • Mike

    What a bunch of crap. Cops are now the local thugs