liar.jpgCompanion legislation to sit-lie would ban lying on public sidewalks

Telling a lie on public sidewalks in San Francisco would be prohibited under legislation proposed Tuesday by Supervisor Chris Daly, with repeat “fish stories” carrying a maximum penalty of $500 and 30 days in jail, though San Franciscans would be free to bear false witness elsewhere, such as parks, public buildings, and City Hall.

Lying is “telling statements with the deliberate intent to deceive,” Daly said Tuesday, “and I don’t think we should be lying to one another on our city sidewalks.”

Daly’s law is nearly identical in language to the much-ballyhooed “sit-lie ordinance” proposed by Mayor Gavin Newsom and San Francisco Police Department chief George Gascon, but goes a step further in bringing all “lying” on public sidewalks under a ban, not merely lying down or sitting down. That ordinance will likely appear on the November ballot.

Enforcement and determination of whether or a not a citizen is telling a false statement would be left up to the San Francisco Police Department, said Daly, who added that “white lies, he-said-she-saids,” and even the Platonic “noble lie” could fall under the ban if police so determine.

Daly’s legislation is not yet scheduled for a hearing, but the supervisor said he would consider circulating a ballot petition if the law is not approved by the City Attorney.

“I look forward to having [this law] appear on the ballot alongside anything that asks voters to ban sitting down or lying down on the sidewalk,” Daly said. “We should see what San Franciscans think.”

We’ll post text of the law — yes, it has been drafted — as soon as we find it online.

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  • Xenu

    …wait what?

  • Xenu

    …wait what?

  • Greg Dewar

    this is one of those “is it real or is it in the onion” stories…that turns out real.

    if passed then Daly can’t walk on sidewalks because he lies…

  • Greg Dewar

    this is one of those “is it real or is it in the onion” stories…that turns out real.

    if passed then Daly can’t walk on sidewalks because he lies…

  • s5

    It’s a stunt. Chris Daly is proposing the law not because he wants it to pass, but to illustrate what he believes is the absurdity of the sit/lie ban.

    Chris Daly is ridiculous, and I still haven’t worked out my opinion on the sit/lie ordinance, but no one is trying to ban telling lies in public. Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that will get misreported and repeated as legend because humor doesn’t translate well to legislation.

  • s5

    It’s a stunt. Chris Daly is proposing the law not because he wants it to pass, but to illustrate what he believes is the absurdity of the sit/lie ban.

    Chris Daly is ridiculous, and I still haven’t worked out my opinion on the sit/lie ordinance, but no one is trying to ban telling lies in public. Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that will get misreported and repeated as legend because humor doesn’t translate well to legislation.

  • Chris Daly

    Sorry, Greg Dewar, but I’m one of the most honest people you’ll ever meet.

    And s5, humor does translate well into legislation. Remember when John Burton proposed making it illegal to be poor? Priceless.

  • Chris Daly

    Sorry, Greg Dewar, but I’m one of the most honest people you’ll ever meet.

    And s5, humor does translate well into legislation. Remember when John Burton proposed making it illegal to be poor? Priceless.

  • Xenu

    Look, I’m a huge satire fan, but the city is in deep shit financially. Maybe it’s time to focus on that?

  • Xenu

    Look, I’m a huge satire fan, but the city is in deep shit financially. Maybe it’s time to focus on that?

  • areallyniceguy

    You have got to be fucking kidding me.

  • areallyniceguy

    You have got to be fucking kidding me.

  • generic

    God, I loathe it when you comment on Internet threads. It’s even worse than a migration of SFGate trolls, because at least I can ignore them.

    I was a vocal proponent of Sit/Lie, but I got turned around by some of your colleagues, (notably Campos & Debra Walker). But you have this unique talent to infantilize every fucking thing, even once the issue’s been won. You make me regret my change of heart.

    I can’t wait till the moderates don’t have you as an excuse anymore.

  • generic

    God, I loathe it when you comment on Internet threads. It’s even worse than a migration of SFGate trolls, because at least I can ignore them.

    I was a vocal proponent of Sit/Lie, but I got turned around by some of your colleagues, (notably Campos & Debra Walker). But you have this unique talent to infantilize every fucking thing, even once the issue’s been won. You make me regret my change of heart.

    I can’t wait till the moderates don’t have you as an excuse anymore.

  • Fred

    Daly hurts San Francisco.

  • Fred

    Daly hurts San Francisco.

  • areallyniceguy

    “unique talent to infantilize every fucking thing…” is probably the best description of Daly that I have ever read. Very well put…

  • areallyniceguy

    “unique talent to infantilize every fucking thing…” is probably the best description of Daly that I have ever read. Very well put…

  • bloomsm

    What a waste of bandwidth.

  • bloomsm

    What a waste of bandwidth.

  • bloomsm

    Actually, this reminds me of the news editor who was trying to decide whether to cover an event that wasn’t going to happen unless she covered it. No dis to the Appeal, but by covering Supervisor Daly’s antics (and yes, that’s mostly what they are), you pretty much lend credence to his more outlandish ideas. So does Ken Garcia.

    Does anyone hear a fiddle in the background or is it just me?

  • bloomsm

    Actually, this reminds me of the news editor who was trying to decide whether to cover an event that wasn’t going to happen unless she covered it. No dis to the Appeal, but by covering Supervisor Daly’s antics (and yes, that’s mostly what they are), you pretty much lend credence to his more outlandish ideas. So does Ken Garcia.

    Does anyone hear a fiddle in the background or is it just me?

  • Markovchainey

    I support it as long as there is a provision that all elected politicians may only speak from a public sidewalk. Could be fun :)

    Fill up the jails!

  • Markovchainey

    I support it as long as there is a provision that all elected politicians may only speak from a public sidewalk. Could be fun :)

    Fill up the jails!