Elsewhere: Haight Street sit-lie debate moves indoors Ex, SF supes to take up anti-loitering law in Haight ABC7

A San Francisco Board of Supervisors committee this morning will debate a proposed sit/lie ordinance intended to combat low-level street crime and harassment in neighborhoods such as the Haight-Ashbury.

The legislation has not yet been introduced but police Chief George Gascon has said it would be useful in preventing harassment of pedestrians outside some businesses.

Some have expressed concern that such an ordinance would unfairly target the homeless, and that anti-loitering and nuisance laws already on the books are not being enforced by police.

This morning’s hearing of the board’s Public Safety Committee will address the feasibility of a new sit/lie law and include presentations by the Police Department and other city agencies. It begins at 10 a.m. at City Hall.

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  • Xenu

    So if I sit down for a moment to tie my shoes, I could be cited by police?

    Yeah, THAT’s going to stand up in court.

  • Xenu

    Also, “Will courts stand for sit/lie?” would make an excellent headline.

  • bloomsm

    Sit/lie isn’t about arresting people who tie their shoes. Sorry, just because you are young, homeless and own a pit bull, does not mean you get to take over Haight Street every day.

  • Xenu

    So then who gets to decide who can use public property? You?

  • bloomsm

    Lying on a sidewalk 24/7/365 is not a fair “use” of public property. We’re not talking about people sitting around in the Park. We’re talking about people who lie on the ground daily and congregate in front of businesses and shops owned by people who are trying to put food on the table for their families. These are the stores that pay taxes to keep social services going in the City. And those store owners and neighbors are telling the city that their customers are intimidated, menaced, harassed, and annoyed every day, by people who aren’t there for any purpose except to squat. The community has asked the City to do something about it; i.e., move people along. Not sure why people have such a problem telling someone in a commercial district to move it along.

  • seth22

    This is among the many plans over the years to clean up the Haight that will simply not work. The Haight will always be a haven for the different, the outcasts, the downtrodden, and the dreamers. This influx has it’s good parts and it’s bad parts, low-level street crime being one such bad part. However, it’s a symptom and a result of something(s) more endemic to our society that won’t easily be solved and certainly not with a sit/lie law.
    I’m for peace in the neighborhood, but I’m against arresting/citing people who need to take a load off on a sidewalk without obstructing it totally.

  • raqcoon

    The presence of Haight homeless or homeless fakes doesn’t bother me. But I’m just a two-bit animal who rarely buys anything in those shops, not even Goodwill. Maybe the target patrons for those vendors are big-spending out-of-area trust fund babies, society people, families, etc., who would easily be deterred by public filth and intimidation. I think the vendors need to jump in the most and speak their case.