muni_generic.jpgReader H says:

Hey! When you were talking about Muni’s fare increase plans, you made it sound like Muni was saying that all riders who wanted to use Muni or ride Cable cars or ride express buses would need to do is buy the $70 “A” Adult Fast Pass.

But Streetsblog is saying “Instead of a single premium pass allowing access to any Muni or BART vehicle within the city, each will be its own entity, costing $70 per month.”

Did Muni change its plans, or did you guys fuck it up?

Jesus Christ, H, do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Yup, last month we quoted the MTA’s Judson True as saying:

“Yes, under the proposal the $70 “A” Adult Fast Pass (as opposed to the $60 “M” Muni-only pass) would be required for cable cars and express buses.”

So we went back to True with H’s question. Spokesperson Kristin Holland replied confirming that the MTA’s plans remain unchanged, and that “the same pass used on BART will be used on Cable Cars and peak hour express.” So, H, you can relax.

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Eve Batey is the editor and publisher of the San Francisco Appeal. She used to be the San Francisco Chronicle's Deputy Managing Editor for Online, and started at the Chronicle as their blogging and interactive editor. Before that, she was a co-founding writer and the lead editor of SFist. She's been in the city since 1997, presently living in the Outer Sunset with her husband, cat, and dog. You can reach Eve at eve@sfappeal.com.

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  • Akit

    I’m scratching my head.

    I wonder what’s the policy for those who want to just take the express bus for a local trip, say taking the 38BX from 25th & Geary to Park Presidio? Or how about the folks who take the 8X from Chinatown to Market?

    Is there an additional fee for “M” passholders who need to use the route, or will there even be a premium cash charge? This question also goes to the Cable Cars too.

  • Akit

    I’m scratching my head.

    I wonder what’s the policy for those who want to just take the express bus for a local trip, say taking the 38BX from 25th & Geary to Park Presidio? Or how about the folks who take the 8X from Chinatown to Market?

    Is there an additional fee for “M” passholders who need to use the route, or will there even be a premium cash charge? This question also goes to the Cable Cars too.

  • Eve Batey

    Oh, dear, maybe I didn’t explain this very well. What they’re saying is that you should think of the cable cars or the express buses like BART — that if you want to ride them using a fast pass, you’ll need at the A type. Taking an Express on a short or long trip, it don’t matter, just like BART from 16th to 24th still necessitates an A Pass.

    Now the additional fee question’s a good one! Let me ask.

  • Eve Batey

    Oh, dear, maybe I didn’t explain this very well. What they’re saying is that you should think of the cable cars or the express buses like BART — that if you want to ride them using a fast pass, you’ll need at the A type. Taking an Express on a short or long trip, it don’t matter, just like BART from 16th to 24th still necessitates an A Pass.

    Now the additional fee question’s a good one! Let me ask.

  • Akit

    I don’t think the folks to frequently commute between Chinatown and Market Street are going to like being told their “M” pass is banned on the 8X. Once they learn that, the 30 and 45 is going to get even worse.

    I’m praying Muni won’t educate drivers how to properly program the TL card readers so “M” users can ride without penalty! 😛

  • Akit

    I don’t think the folks to frequently commute between Chinatown and Market Street are going to like being told their “M” pass is banned on the 8X. Once they learn that, the 30 and 45 is going to get even worse.

    I’m praying Muni won’t educate drivers how to properly program the TL card readers so “M” users can ride without penalty! 😛

  • purplecitygirl

    What I’m most concerned about is that the 8x is not a normal express bus. I can’t think of another express bus that runs all day. If there isn’t another one, why should this one be considered different from limited and local buses and has fares that are much higher?

  • purplecitygirl

    What I’m most concerned about is that the 8x is not a normal express bus. I can’t think of another express bus that runs all day. If there isn’t another one, why should this one be considered different from limited and local buses and has fares that are much higher?

  • DT

    Using an express bus for local stops defeats the purpose of the express, which is why the A pass will be required. Many riders who hop the express for local purposes also practice disruptive seat jockeying, always aiming for the singles. They are very unpleasant to have land in your lap.

    In the good old days there was a single premium fare for *all* express buses and local riders quickly learned *never* to board a bus with a flag in the door. Locals are for local transport, expresses are for express service. They do not serve the same purpose.

    Also in the good old days there were several all-day express lines, including one from ParkMerced to downtown. Nobody rode it to go to the market in ParkMerced and back to their rental. While the 8x appears to serve local stops north of Market it is truly an express south of there. Don’t be so self-interested and have some consideration for those having to do a MUNI long-haul.

    It will be interesting to see if MTA comes up with a cash differential for express and cable cars with M passes. If so, the same differential should apply for any discounted pass. There is only a single fare on Ball Park expresses.

  • DT

    Using an express bus for local stops defeats the purpose of the express, which is why the A pass will be required. Many riders who hop the express for local purposes also practice disruptive seat jockeying, always aiming for the singles. They are very unpleasant to have land in your lap.

    In the good old days there was a single premium fare for *all* express buses and local riders quickly learned *never* to board a bus with a flag in the door. Locals are for local transport, expresses are for express service. They do not serve the same purpose.

    Also in the good old days there were several all-day express lines, including one from ParkMerced to downtown. Nobody rode it to go to the market in ParkMerced and back to their rental. While the 8x appears to serve local stops north of Market it is truly an express south of there. Don’t be so self-interested and have some consideration for those having to do a MUNI long-haul.

    It will be interesting to see if MTA comes up with a cash differential for express and cable cars with M passes. If so, the same differential should apply for any discounted pass. There is only a single fare on Ball Park expresses.