cigarettes1.jpg



Are you pro-freedom — or pro-cancer? Nobody’s a friend of the Big C, but questions around the extension of San Francisco’s smoking ban are undoubtedly polarizing: nobody wants to breathe your stupid second-hand smoke, ahem EXCUSE me, and likewise no smoker wants some clean-breathed public-health crusading jerk interrupting their sweet, sweet nicotine feast.

Smoking’s been outlawed in most bars and taverns in California since 1998, pushing the state’s smoke-em-while-you-drink-ems out onto the street, where they terrorize neighbors with their noise and noxious fumes. To get around that pickle, many bars and taverns have installed — at no small cost — enclosed smoking patios at their establishments, allowing boozers to hang onto their drinks while they puff away.

As a former smoker and bar frequenter, this SF Appeal staffer watched with interest Monday the stalling in committee of legislation that would extend San Francisco’s smoking ban to pretty much everywhere, including those enclosed patios.

The legislation will be heard again in committee in two weeks while small business’s concerns are addressed (meaning, we’d guess, the entertainment industry gets lawmakers to specify and clarify that they’ll get to keep their smoking patios).

But what say you? Does the smoking ban mean just that — a smoking ban, and darn your cool-looking, expensive patio? Should the anti-smoking zealots among us stop going out to bars if they don’t like secondhand Camel scent?

Please make sure your comment adheres to our comment policy. If it doesn't, it may be deleted. Repeat violations may cause us to revoke your commenting privileges. No one wants that!
  • Greg Dewar

    another dumb idea by people who are great at dumb ideas, but bad at providing basic services.

    fix the roads, Muni and crime, then try and ruin local businesses, SF. this is crapola.

  • Greg Dewar

    another dumb idea by people who are great at dumb ideas, but bad at providing basic services.

    fix the roads, Muni and crime, then try and ruin local businesses, SF. this is crapola.

  • bloomsm

    What Greg Dewar said. Not a single person with any common sense left in City Hall.

    I mean, who exactly am I bothering or offending if I am outside in the open air with other smokers? My conclusion: no one, except the tender sensibilities of a city of busy-bodies and nosy folks who all want us to live in their idealized version of the Happiest Place On Earth.

  • bloomsm

    What Greg Dewar said. Not a single person with any common sense left in City Hall.

    I mean, who exactly am I bothering or offending if I am outside in the open air with other smokers? My conclusion: no one, except the tender sensibilities of a city of busy-bodies and nosy folks who all want us to live in their idealized version of the Happiest Place On Earth.

  • bobsjunk

    Why can’t a business decide if it wants to allow smoking on it’s patio?

    Does the Politburo, I mean the Board of Supervisor, have nothing else to worry about?

  • bobsjunk

    Why can’t a business decide if it wants to allow smoking on it’s patio?

    Does the Politburo, I mean the Board of Supervisor, have nothing else to worry about?

  • generalsn

    Here;s the source of the bans, Johnson and Johnson, makers of Chantix, Nicoderm, and other quit smoking drugs:

    http://www.rwjf.org/publichealth/product.jsp?id=14912

    And where the money is going: Note on page seven, the “inside out” provision promising to return later for the patios AFTER business owners spend thousands to build them for their many smoking customers, clearly showing that they have absolutly no concern about local businesses

    http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/CIA_Fundamentals.pdf

  • generalsn

    Here;s the source of the bans, Johnson and Johnson, makers of Chantix, Nicoderm, and other quit smoking drugs:

    http://www.rwjf.org/publichealth/product.jsp?id=14912

    And where the money is going: Note on page seven, the “inside out” provision promising to return later for the patios AFTER business owners spend thousands to build them for their many smoking customers, clearly showing that they have absolutly no concern about local businesses

    http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/CIA_Fundamentals.pdf

  • the_minimalist_route

    This issue riles me so much because the majority of people who got indoor smoking banned said, at that time, “What’s your problem? You can’t just go OUTSIDE to smoke?” or “We need to do this to protect patrons and employees who cannot enjoy the establishment full of smoke.” These were repeated like implicit promises that if we just allow them to spend hours inside a place without smoke, they will be satisfied.

    Guess what? They are not satisfied and they want more. Power-hungry nutjobs that need to worry about something more important than me having a cigarette OUTSIDE.

  • the_minimalist_route

    This issue riles me so much because the majority of people who got indoor smoking banned said, at that time, “What’s your problem? You can’t just go OUTSIDE to smoke?” or “We need to do this to protect patrons and employees who cannot enjoy the establishment full of smoke.” These were repeated like implicit promises that if we just allow them to spend hours inside a place without smoke, they will be satisfied.

    Guess what? They are not satisfied and they want more. Power-hungry nutjobs that need to worry about something more important than me having a cigarette OUTSIDE.

  • seth22

    I’ve always found it only slightly less than hypocritical that people are so concerned about the effects of second-hand smoke to their health at a bar, a place in which you go to drink a liquid that is harmful to your body in excess. Now, I’m in no way knocking drinking; just let us have one friggin’ area to smoke while we drink.

  • seth22

    I’ve always found it only slightly less than hypocritical that people are so concerned about the effects of second-hand smoke to their health at a bar, a place in which you go to drink a liquid that is harmful to your body in excess. Now, I’m in no way knocking drinking; just let us have one friggin’ area to smoke while we drink.

  • seth22

    Damnit, forgot to close the bold tag. Sorry all.

  • seth22

    Damnit, forgot to close the bold tag. Sorry all.

  • wordygirl

    Please let the smokers smoke if they choose to! I am a big fan of the indoor smoking bars still in (clandestine) operation in SF. I don’t think there should be restrictions on smoking anywhere out of doors. HOWEVER, the recent turn of events (one of my favorite cafes just outlawed patio smoking, Amber turned into something non-smoking, the impending no-smoking-anywhere-in-SF laws) has definitely made me rethink my own smoking.

    From David Sedaris, When You Are Engulfed in Flames:
    When New York banned smoking in the workplace, I quit working. When it was banned in restaurants, I stopped eating out and when the price of cigarettes hit seven dollars a pack I gathered all my stuff together and went to France.

    Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/05/080505fa_fact_sedaris?currentPage=2#ixzz0ePvkba8q

  • wordygirl

    Please let the smokers smoke if they choose to! I am a big fan of the indoor smoking bars still in (clandestine) operation in SF. I don’t think there should be restrictions on smoking anywhere out of doors. HOWEVER, the recent turn of events (one of my favorite cafes just outlawed patio smoking, Amber turned into something non-smoking, the impending no-smoking-anywhere-in-SF laws) has definitely made me rethink my own smoking.

    From David Sedaris, When You Are Engulfed in Flames:
    When New York banned smoking in the workplace, I quit working. When it was banned in restaurants, I stopped eating out and when the price of cigarettes hit seven dollars a pack I gathered all my stuff together and went to France.

    Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/05/080505fa_fact_sedaris?currentPage=2#ixzz0ePvkba8q

  • bloomsm

    @Seth22: Word. At some point I am sure they will tell you that you can’t drink alcohol in bars because it’ll kill ya. Telling drunk people that smoking might kill you is like giving speeding tickets out at the Indy 500.

  • bloomsm

    @Seth22: Word. At some point I am sure they will tell you that you can’t drink alcohol in bars because it’ll kill ya. Telling drunk people that smoking might kill you is like giving speeding tickets out at the Indy 500.